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CA: Desert Cop Killer, Units Converging
local area tactical scanner | August 8, 2003

Posted on 08/08/2003 10:46:55 AM PDT by lainie

ATTENTION

Big doins right now on high desert ATAC. They're surrounding a house in the vicinity of 200 ST E and AVE R.

"be advised we've got no cover and are sitting ducks if he's scoping us.."

"we need more units!"

They're surprising the location.

Sounds like they might think they got him, getting SB involved.

Air ship on scene.


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: keuck; kueck; sorensen
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To: lainie
Are they still waiting for additional units.
61 posted on 08/08/2003 12:16:21 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: lainie
It's gotten awefully quiet.
63 posted on 08/08/2003 12:18:50 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Bikers4Bush
Yes, last I heard. Some special somethings coming from another town.
64 posted on 08/08/2003 12:18:55 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Behind the Lines in CA
Thank you :)
65 posted on 08/08/2003 12:21:11 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Riley
It is usually done with a data burst on key up so mashing the button while turning it on could have done it, did not hear it on this freq, but ??? maybe on another one.

There is also "tranmitter fingerprinting" but it requires a long set up and more equipment than you will find in the field.

66 posted on 08/08/2003 12:21:26 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (10101100)
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To: Not now, Not ever!
That makes sense. Thanks for the info.
67 posted on 08/08/2003 12:22:43 PM PDT by Riley
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To: lainie
Can't thank you enough for pinging me on this. I have the scanner on RealPlayer coming in loud and clear. And I just happened to be home with work to do on the computer. Perfect.

Now let's grab this guy.

69 posted on 08/08/2003 12:26:10 PM PDT by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Semper911
You're absolutely welcome. Thanks for hanging out.

Myself, I feel infinitely better just knowing they've probably located the SOB.
70 posted on 08/08/2003 12:30:48 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Behind the Lines in CA
The department's field radios MAY mute it out, not scanners, the data rate for sub-audible would be to slow for short transmissions, like "10-4", super audible would require more bandwidth than the channel has.

I am starting to wonder if they were talking about mdt's, ACK'S are message acknowledgements mdt's get when they send a message, or change state, (on-off or what ever).

71 posted on 08/08/2003 12:32:05 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (10101100)
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To: lainie
Thanks for the ping and the audio link. Listening in.
Deputy's missing radio lit up? Oh boy.
72 posted on 08/08/2003 12:33:30 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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Who was just told to go to LTAC?
73 posted on 08/08/2003 12:35:05 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Riley
Any hams know if or how they can ID a hand-held by it having broken squelch?

It depends on the system. LASO's move to 480 mhz is fairly recent, so they most likely have the identifiers built in. They're a little digital tone generator that sends a serial number identifying the radio number any time you key the mike. The dispatch system maintains a database cross-referencing radio serial number and unit number on an ongoing basis.

With respect to the question about the absence of identifying information on the audio feed we're getting, the system is a type known as "repeater duplex", with the cars on one frequency and the dispatcher on another. The car radios are picked up and rebroadcast on the base frequency, and in the process the little "identifier squawk" is cut out. If we were listening directly to the units, I suspect we'd be hearing it.

Even though it's called a TAC frequency, it's repeater duplex, thus the confusion among the troops. LAPD's system allows "direct" communication without triggering the repeater, and in that mode you can hear the "squawk". LASO probably has something similar. and they may be using it along with cell phones in addition to the more publicly accessable communications.

If he has the deputy's radio, it probably has the local TAC frequencies programmed in, but it was most likely tuned to the Antellope Valley base frequency. So, I guess we can look at the guy's picture and try to figure out whether's he's bright enough to switch frequencies.

74 posted on 08/08/2003 12:39:57 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: TheSpottedOwl; Eaker; 185JHP; breakem; joesnuffy; CyberAnt; jhw61; b4its2late; TaMoDee; ...
pinging the rest of the names from the first thread; fyi
76 posted on 08/08/2003 12:43:24 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie
heads up
77 posted on 08/08/2003 12:50:13 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Behind the Lines in CA
I don't know what the input frequency to the repeater is.

480 band, it should be 3mhz higher. However, it's line of sight, so unless you're in the immediate vicinity all you'll hear is a faint carrier and a lot of noise. We're probably better off on the base.

Come to think of it, that LAPD "direct" mode works by switching the car transmitter to the base frequency. Capture effect results in the base being able to override it when needed.

By the way, we can hear the beeps from the scanner as it's programmed, it's become famous!!!

78 posted on 08/08/2003 12:50:35 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: lainie
Suspect's on the move. "Watch out for cross fire." Holy shit.
79 posted on 08/08/2003 12:51:23 PM PDT by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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"suspect may be moving; watch your crossfire; be alert"

80 posted on 08/08/2003 12:52:32 PM PDT by lainie
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