man arrest for detaining illegal immigrants

Yuma Sun ^ | LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

Thousands of apprehensions and you can point to perhaps ten arrests

Ten?! Jeez, I only knew of three. I missed some, post some links, please. And which ones were "not border-related"?

295 posted on 08/08/2003 1:07 AM PDT by PRND21
 

I didn't bother to count, but figured counting this thread we were getting close to then.  Two on this thread, Glenn, Simcox and pal and you mentioned some guys who pistol-whipped some people.  That's seven if the last group were only two, and it could have been more.  If it was actually seven to nine it makes little difference to me.  The count is still rather insignificant after so many apprehensions and turnovers to the INS.

Glenn's arrest was not border enforcement related.  It was a weaons charge based on an incident outside his home.

[DoughtyOne]

No you didn't call me a NAZI. I'm sorry I didn't read that more clearly. Sometimes I read the reduced text version I'm getting ready to post back with my response. For first read that gets rather small.

[dennisw]

Cultural Jihad says:
All viewpoints are true, except the ones we don't like, in which case you are a racist.

[dennisw]

How many matricula consular cards does your family and cousins use?

[Sandy]

Why are they being charged with aggravated assault? Any idea? It was the physical act of placing the handcuffs on the illegal aliens.

That's not right. Placing the handcuffs on the illegals is unlawful imprisonment. Holding a gun on them is aggravated assault.

Once you make physical contact, you've committed assault.

That's not quite right either. A mere threat of physical harm amounts to assault. Physical contact is not required.

[Sandy]

this was not assault in the common sense definition of the charge.

A person commits assault by...[i]ntentionally placing another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury...
Source: Arizona Revised Statutes 13-1203

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

Why are they being charged with aggravated assault? Any idea? It was the physical act of placing the handcuffs on the illegal aliens.

That's not right. Placing the handcuffs on the illegals is unlawful imprisonment. Holding a gun on them is aggravated assault.

Once you make physical contact, you've committed assault.

That's not quite right either. A mere threat of physical harm amounts to assault. Physical contact is not required.

305 posted on 08/08/2003 1:50 AM PDT by Sandy
 

I'm more inclined to agree with you after this thread.  I appreciate your comments.

Sandy, let me ask you something.  You live near the border and hundreds of illegals come through your property every day.  Not only poor illegal aliens traverse your property, but drug runners do too.

You're property is being damaged.  Your fences torn down, some livestock poisoned.  Several guard dogs have been killed.  Equipment has been stolen out of your barn.  At night people sleep there on occasion.  You home has been vandelized, broken into several times.

You've made a fortress of your home.  There are bars on the windows and the doors are steal reinforced.  At night you lock yourself in like a prisoner in prison.

When you tour your property, do you take a gun with you or not?  Do you take a chance on running into illegal allien drug runners?  If you do, you'll note that one day you'll likely round a corner and come face to face with people who are running drugs and may kill you.

The enforcement of gun laws that see you or your neighbors prosecuted for trying to put a stop to this just rubs me the wrong way.  If the government doesn't want these citizens to do what they're doing, it should enforce the borders itself.  Why should these people be prosecuted for trying to clean up the area?

They have been put in a catch 22 situation.  It isn't right.  It has to end.  That's why I'm going to defend these men.  What they government is allowing to happen to their area is far far far worse than anything they did to stop it.

[Sandy]

I have no problem with what these guys on the border are doing. But I'm certainly not surprised to see them being harassed by the government. They can either back down or continue their methods and demand jury trials when they're arrested. If the local citizens approve, they'll be acquitted.

[DoughtyOne]

How willing would you be to live under those conditions? Back down? Are you serious?

[Sandy]

Oh, I wouldn't live down there at all. And no, I don't expect them to back down. But don't expect the government to back down either. Why can't they get some local officials into office who won't harrass them? Until then, I think these folks need to get some sort of Legal Defense Organization together because these sorts of arrests will only increase otherwise.

[CONSERVE]

Shoving a gun in the faces of women and children is not an assault?

Two words Elian Gonzales.

[DEPUTYMAYTAG]

What a crock of sh--!

[sam_paine]

I think it was an M16, wasn't it? Besides, the assault team member didn't have his finger on the trigger, so what was Elian so worried about? (sarc)

[WSGilcrest]

bookmark for what has probably some great "discussion"

[BlazingArizona]

the whole state applauds.
yes, very sick.

Not when you consider that the illegals this man ran over had just robbed his insurance office at gunpoint.

[Cultural Jihad]

If they perpetrated violence against the illegals, I'd demand harsh penalties for it. These men didn't hurt anyone.

Having a gun shoved in your face is not a violent act, and that is why they are not being charged with aggravated assault, eh? Supposedly Reform Party hacks would claim rape is not violence so long as no one bleeds or no bones get broken, or perhaps the threshold has to be at least two broken bones.

[Cultural Jihad]

Hey, don't you know that if you disagree with their mau-mau violence that you are either a traitor or a marxist or both? ;-)

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

It is the police who should be arrested and the police should be fired for not doing their jobs.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

Justice has eroded itself!

[KEVLAR]

It looks to me like a frustrated response to your arrogance in proclaiming that everyone else is wrong or living in a fantasy land. While I do not agree with citizens committing crimes to stop border crossers, I would not advocate eliminating the border either. Until the rest of the facts are known, many of your comments are nothing more than conjecture.