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To: archy; All
No doubt!

;^)

BTW, have you all seen this?

This is from the current Cooper's Commentaries, V-12 #2:

"Do any of you marksmen think it possible for a man to place 20 shots in a 20-inch circle in 20 seconds at a 1,000 yards? I posed this question to the range masters down at Camp Pendleton many years ago and was told that such a thing was not possible. During much of my life a four-minute mile was deemed to be impossible, to say nothing of motoring around on the surface of the moon.

"Obviously this rifle challenge is very, very hard. I have tried it twice myself and conclude that while the task is not impossible, it is nearly so.

"Therefore, I am undertaking the proposal of a perpetual prize in the form of a grand gold cup or bowl to be awarded to anyone who can bring off this stuntproperly supervised, of course. Administration of the effort will be complicated, but that we can handle. I hope to avoid commercialization, but where there is a will there is a wayand money in sufficient quantities can provide the will."

~~~Col. Jeff Cooper

613 posted on 02/17/2004 7:26:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Do any of you marksmen think it possible for a man to place 20 shots in a 20-inch circle in 20 seconds at a 1,000 yards?

Exceedingly difficult, but no doubt possible.

20rd mag, semiauto.

A 338 Lapau or 50BMG would likely be more precise, but slower; and mag capacity would be an issue.

Maybe a belt fed platform?

NRA Highpower spec AR's, the AR10T, and SR25 seem a likely starting point, with a 20rd mag and good optics.

616 posted on 02/17/2004 10:12:33 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Travis McGee
Obviously this rifle challenge is very, very hard. I have tried it twice myself and conclude that while the task is not impossible, it is nearly so.

While the "Colonel" (actually retired LTC, but I digress) is clearly an expert rifleman, his eyesight is probably not what it may have been.

I'd like to see a super he-man like David Tubb or Jerry Miculek try it with an appropriate blaster.

1MOA, 1 Second per shot, at 1000yds, sustained for 20rds.

Yikes.

621 posted on 02/17/2004 10:26:23 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Travis McGee; risk; archy; Long Cut; All
"The Lones Wigger Cup" !


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624 posted on 02/17/2004 11:19:46 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." -- Twain)
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To: Travis McGee
"Do any of you marksmen think it possible for a man to place 20 shots in a 20-inch circle in 20 seconds at a 1,000 yards? I posed this question to the range masters down at Camp Pendleton many years ago and was told that such a thing was not possible. During much of my life a four-minute mile was deemed to be impossible, to say nothing of motoring around on the surface of the moon.

Easily. But I cheat.

643 posted on 02/17/2004 3:57:48 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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