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Here's some stuff I just came across :

re: .223 -

" The soldier's satisfaction turned South in the Somilia days, when it took multiple hits from SS109 projectiles, to bring down a 110 lb. Somilian militiaman that was hopped up on an amphetamine type plant, called "khat" or "khack", memory does not serve. I remember one instance where one of the bad guys soaked up between 8 and 11 hits before he cashed it in. One of the Delta boys that was awarded the CMH postumously did not trust the 109 round, and went into the fight with an M14. He and two others held the line literally to the last cartridge."

re: 6.8 SPC -

"This is a reply to the guess work all the supposed smart people are doing on the 6.8x43mm. It would appear that our operational security is working real well. But here are a few bits for you guys to chew on. Its not made from a .25 Rem. case, or reforming .223 brass, how do I know, I designed it. It has nearly the same flight path as the 7.62x51mm M80 ball round out to 650 meters. Delivers approx 4 times the energy on target at 300 meters compared to a SS109 round. The gel block tests are awesome. It drops a 150-300 lbs feral hogs like an axe, also works great on whitetails.

My first choice was 7mm projectiles, but the users wanted something with a flatter trajectory, closer to the 5.56. Tested all calibers 6mm, 6.5mm, .25, 6.8 (.270 for Americans, oh actually the Chinese came up with the 6.8x63mm in the 1930s), didn't do much testing in .30, because it would only be an American M43 cartridge. This was not a private endeavourer nor a fully sanctioned government project, just users and a gun builder making a better product for our guys on the ground, in harms way."

It was also pointed out that the case head is the same size as the .30-30, only rimless !

It was also pointed out that the case head is the same size as the .30-30, only rimless !

Hey, that offers some real interesting possibilities, doesn't it.... But amusingly enough, I think I'd like to begin my own tinkering along the 6,8mm lines with a single shot. Or maybe an over-under, either with a rimfire .22 or the S&W .500 in the other barrel....