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1 posted on 08/06/2003 12:18:38 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative
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To: optimistically_conservative
The correct answer is:
"It was never NOT a person."

The way the question is posed is somewhat akin to, "Do you still beat your wife?"

2 posted on 08/06/2003 12:21:04 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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To: optimistically_conservative
The lefty column is UNBELIEVABLE. I could write a better column than that, in fact I'd love to have a chat with her about it in my living room. What a lame defense, inaccurate even and probably downright disingenuous.
3 posted on 08/06/2003 12:27:12 PM PDT by agrace
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To: optimistically_conservative
When does a fetus become a person?

Ranks right up there with 'When did you stop beating your wife?'. And, for the record, Diane Glass is a foolish, knee-pad-communist beotch whose level of awareness is just short Dilbert's.
4 posted on 08/06/2003 12:27:37 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: optimistically_conservative
A person: when the soul enters the body.
A citizen: at birth.

I'm sure there will be a few replies...
5 posted on 08/06/2003 12:27:51 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To assume human superiority is the height of narcissism and wishful thinking. It's the same kind of mindset of Nazi Germany. We're no more sacred than the ocean or sky.

So why not legalize all forms of murder?

7 posted on 08/06/2003 12:32:26 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (...they led my people astray, saying, "Peace!" when there was no peace -- Ezekiel 13:10)
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Ms. Glass is pretty confident in her opinions, considering that she doesn't believe in anything absolute. Slaves weren't considered "persons" under the law either, but the Constitution was amended to correct that. The Constitution can be changed to declare unborn babies "persons" under the law as well. So the question, or really the answer as she frames it, isn't a moral or spiritual issue in her viewpoint, but a political one. So if the pro-life movement eventually becomes the majority in this nation (and on some issues it is), I hope she embraces the rights of the unborn when they are finally protected by law.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 12:45:52 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: optimistically_conservative
We're no more sacred than the ocean or sky.

Maintain this line of thinking and you have named your own poison.

10 posted on 08/06/2003 12:46:00 PM PDT by ivanhoe116
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Ms. Glass again: "This isn't a debate about when life begins. This is a debate about what life we value." Spoken like a true fascist.
11 posted on 08/06/2003 12:46:43 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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BTW, I'm all in favor of protecting a woman's "reproductive rights," as Ms. Glass would call it. I believe a woman should be able to prevent a pregnancy by whatever means possible. But as soon as a conception has taken place, there's a new life involved, and the woman's "reproductive rights" no longer apply.
12 posted on 08/06/2003 12:50:32 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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Either one must accept that it is a human life at the moment of fertilization when a unique DNA pattern is created, and therefore that is a human life that deserves legal protection; or to go the Peter Singer route and declare that human life is worthless until it is self-supporting. There is no other position that is rationally consistent with itself and the scientific facts of the question.

If you assume that abortion is a right because a woman has a right to control her own body, then you must also assert that prostitution should also be legal on the same basis. How many in the baby-killing camp support legal prosititution. I will hazard a guess and say not many.
13 posted on 08/06/2003 12:52:12 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Objects in post may be more clever than they first appear)
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"To assume human superiority is the height of narcissism and wishful thinking. It's the same kind of mindset of Nazi Germany. We're no more sacred than the ocean or sky."-abortionist viewpoint

Notice the comparison of anti-abortionists to Nazi's. (For that matter she compared all who hold human life sacred) Yet it was the Nazi's who were attempting to breed the perfect race. Applying a strictly scientific approach to repopulation without regard to morals, marriage, family or God.

15 posted on 08/06/2003 12:54:59 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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Fetus is Latin for "baby", so there's your answer...it always is a person.
16 posted on 08/06/2003 12:55:26 PM PDT by kdmhcdcfld (Any rebroadcast of this tagline without the express written consent of FreeRepublic is prohibited.)
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If fetuses are given more rights than adult women other worrisome repercussions are not far along. Pregnant women who smoke, have a glass of wine, do not visit their doctor or do anything deemed inappropriate can be arrested. Their body becomes a weapon and their lives enslaved. A woman's body is not her own.

Ummm...hate to tell her this, but her worst fear is already happening via CPS, so what's her point?

17 posted on 08/06/2003 12:55:33 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: optimistically_conservative
What a bunch of goobly-gook on the part of Ms. Glass.
18 posted on 08/06/2003 12:56:15 PM PDT by fml
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Person: the instant the DNA of the fetus is formed and is different than the mother's. It then ceases to be the mother's "tissue", and becomes a separate and unique individual.
19 posted on 08/06/2003 1:00:14 PM PDT by FReepaholic (My other tag line is hilarious.)
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A fetus is a person when it is independent of a woman's body.

So, a 6th month old baby who was born 3 months premature is a "person", but a 9 month old baby who's due to be born tomorrow morning is not?

CRAP!

You Pro-Aborts need to lose this tired old rediculous arguement and start telling the truth. No doubt you'll still have plenty of support.

A baby is a human from the time at which, left unharmed, its normal course of development would lead to birth.

The truth is more like...

"We women have earned the right to kill our offspring if we find them inconvenient for any reason. You Rasist Christian Extremists are just trying to prevent us from enjoying casual sex. Nobody else gives a damn about what we do because the children are tucked behind a thin layer of skin and might as well not exist - so just shut up and let us do our thing."

20 posted on 08/06/2003 1:04:57 PM PDT by Verax
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Desdemona; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback
ping
23 posted on 08/06/2003 1:18:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm not in Richard Riordan's target demographic: I'm a Republican.)
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To: optimistically_conservative
Don't all these religious arguments belong in the church and NOT in politics or the legal system?
24 posted on 08/06/2003 1:26:42 PM PDT by tkathy
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"To assume human superiority is the height of narcissism and wishful thinking."

This idiot doesn't realize she just blasted her own argument out of the water. If all of nature is equal, then whether she considers the 'fetus' to be human or not, she shouldn't be destroying it.

25 posted on 08/06/2003 1:26:45 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: optimistically_conservative
The Bible makes no reference to abortion or infanticide, a common practice in ancient times. Why didn't an omniscient God make His intentions clear? God provided the Ten Commandments as an easy reference guide. 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' is bandied about by anti-choice advocates when defending fetal rights. But perhaps this Cliffs Notes version was too brief. That's kind of vague, don't you think? Why do we kill animals? Doesn't "not kill" mean "not kill?" Otherwise, God would have carved in stone, "Do not kill human beings, born or unborn. But you can kill other animals."

"You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13). Although the sixth commandment is often mistranslated as "You shall not kill," the use of the Hebrew verb ratzach identifies it specifically with murder.

"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for He made man in the image of God" (Gen. 9:6).

26 posted on 08/06/2003 1:27:03 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (Can't prove a negative? You're not stupid. Prove it!)
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