Critics of Homosexual Bishop's Confirmation Lament 'Sad Day for Christians'

CNSNews.com ^ | 8/06/03 | Steve Brown

[the-ironically-named-proverbs2]

the gate just became a little more narrow

Matt 7:13-15
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

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The group leading the charge against the gay movement in the Episcopal Church is Episcopal Shield

[rhema]

Could a heterosexual bishop who left his family to live with a female lover ever have gotten confirmed? No.

That's because the heterosexual offender hasn't been excised from the Revised Episcopal Version of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:

Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers--none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God. There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you.

You see, it's all in the eisegesis exegesis.

[bets]

redacting the Bible - now why didn't I think of that?

[Vaduz]

Or many have something to hide.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

This is an interesting new doctrine. That which Jesus didn't explicitly prohibit is permissible. Narrows down the Bible to a half dozen books. And more than half of those can be excised. This new Episcopalian bible will save lots of trees. *sigh*

[rhema]

redacting the Bible - now why didn't I think of that?

Because you've probably read Revelation 22:18-19:

18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

[Redleg Duke]

"Hopkins said the vote confirming Robinson as bishop sends a "great message" from the church that its doors are "open wide."

And apparently, the collective butt of the church body.

[chadwimc]

Whats the big deal? Catholics have been ordaining queers and child molesters for decades...

[bets]

I wish pagans would stop creating their own religions and calling them Christian! If the Bible's not the standard, then any tom dick or harry can make up their own version of Christianity....and they do.

Ye shall know them by their fruits - This story puts a whole new spin on that scripture, get it?

[Redleg Duke]

If you look at all of the Christian Churches, each is under attack from the queer left. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has a queer movement trying to force the church to acknowledge homosexual unions and consider queerdom as mainstream. I understand that there is a strong movement afoot by those who reject homosexuality and other deviances to break away if the queer left get their way in the ELCA.

Once the queers cause a break, they are left with "a church of their own, complete with psuedo-legitimacy". Their goal is first to gain acceptance, cause a split, gain legitimacy and then supremacy. They are the enemy within and the new force of the liberal movement. It is so will all Christian Churches.

[rhema]

If the Bible's not the standard, . . .

Martin Luther had an observation about that subject:

"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the word of God except precisely that little point which the world and the Devil are at that point attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is tested. To be steady in all the battlefields besides is mere flight and disgrace, if the soldier flinches at that one point."

[Redleg Duke]

Boy, would Martin Luther have torn that entire convention a brand new asshole yesterday...and no pun intended!

[glory]

"The same threats of schism were all around, and in my experience as an ordained woman in this church, the ordination of women has only strengthened our ministry and enhanced our ability to proclaim the good news of God in Jesus Christ to those yearning to hear it," Russell told reporters. "I think the Episcopal Church is poised on what we call a kairos moment, offering to the world a vision of a progressive, inclusive gospel, which is another step forward."
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Positive my tush. A relative of mine's behavior is worse than ever under the "leadership" of an Episcopalian woman priest"ess". And this woman did not discourage an adulterous relationship either. This church is rubbish now. Hopefully even those who just are spectators will choose this is enough for them and leave.

[sam_paine]

Kermit,

I like you're note, but you might consider the following punctuation change:

From: "For through, you he has corrupted...."

To: "For through you, he has corrupted..."

As for me, I can't help you guys on this. I gave up on organized religion when I was 12 and I couldn't understand the prominence of the collection plate in each and every sermon at our Church of Christ.

I've been off on my own with God since then. Nobody but me can screw that up.

[sam_paine]

Andy Grove called them "strategic inflection points" FWIW.

[Marauder]

Revelations said this would happen

Bull's eye!

[Marauder]

I don't see how an actual protest would break that law.

Law enforcement will find a way, believe me. I call it "creative prosecution."

[Kevin Curry]

This is an interesting new doctrine. That which Jesus didn't explicitly prohibit is permissible.

It's a sort of post-modern "red letter" phrarasaism. If it isn't found expressly forbidden in the red-letter verses of the New Testament, it's fully allowable. This interesting twist on the pharasaical model of extreme legalism is employed with great zeal to justify and excuse licentious behavior.

But common sense and the Holy Ghost witness against this outrageous, cynical, and self-serving cancer on the body of the church soul.

Meanwhile it appears Bishop "Vicki" Robinson yesterday likened his winning a forced acceptance of sexual perversion on the flock to the glorious resurrection of Jesus Christ. Astounding.

[Miss Marple]

I have been thinking about this issue this morning and I believe I see an underlying motive.

The gay movement in churches does, indeed force people out (along with other divisive liberal issues). I myself have left my life-long church, the Methodists.

I notice that the gays are not lobbying in the Southern Baptists, nor in the Church of Christ, nor in the Assemblies of God. Now, one would on its surface think that it is because those churches are less susceptible to the message of "inclusiveness." That may be true, but there is another underlying reason as well, I think.

The mainline Protestant denominations, as well as the Roman Catholics, own a great deal of real estate and have fairly large bank accounts. The real estate (in Manhattan and Boston and other large cities across this nation) is owned by the denomination, not the individual congregation. An entire Episcopal congregation who wishes to split from the church and go independent must LEAVE the building, abandoning it to the gay-friendly people. This holds true for the Methodists as well.

On the other hand, most Southern Baptist congregations own their property individually. They can withdraw without losing the building.

It seems to me that this is a concerted effort to not only shape public opinion but to control real estate and money. Money is used to sway political beliefs, push certain social issues, and shape public discourse.

It seems to me that there is a plan afoot to rob people who have donated their time and treasure (in some families' cases, for generations) to a congregation and church building, and secure the land and money for their own purposes.

In other words, this is about money as much as sex. Otherwise, why wouldn't these people simply start their OWN churches? They don't want to do that, because they want the land, the buildings, and the money. I think this needs to be looked at with more attention to the financial side.

Let us not forget that Satan comes as a thief in the night.