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To: maui_hawaii
Gee thanks. You do know it is a ludicrous position to argue that you somehow get immunity if you commit a crime while acting as an employee of a corporation. With regard to your questions, are you suggesting it is dishonorable to try and run a business for profit. I consider running a business for profit a pretty high calling. It's not as important as my family, but my work ranks pretty high up on my list of things that I consider to be important. With regard to your hypothetical firing of an employee, if there was no justification for firing the employee then that is a stupid act. But if someone is so stupid as to fire a good employee, why would the fired employee want to work for an incompetent employer like that anyway? Finally, I get the impression that you think that you are owed a job and that once you get it, you are entitled to keep it for the rest of your life. Am I wrong about this impression?
84 posted on 08/05/2003 10:34:18 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
You are absolutely wrong about your impressions. You have general cookie cutter argument that applies to everyone. Anyone who thinks there are responsibilities to go along with profits and power "think they are owed a job".

Its really a stupid comparison.

You think I am opposed to business? Are you nuts? I reported directly to the CFO of companies you've heard of. Try the top teir of the fortune 500...

You still have not answered all of my questions though. Disregard what you think I am 'suggesting' and answer.

In fact, your type of businessman is the wrong type of businessman. I remember back in the college days doing a case study during law class... We compared... One company had faulty products and were caught...

What they tried to do is fight and finagel, and "prove" they are fine... and called people "anti-business" etc...

In the end they went out of business. They had no credibility.

On the other hand, the Tylenol company had issued some bad medication. It made some people very sick. What they did though, is, at the cost of BILLIONS, had a huge recall. It hurt them in the short term, but in the long term they ended up growing several fold. It was because of legitimacy and honesty.

Running a business IS a high calling, but it depends what kind of business you want to run. A whole lot of this crap that is going on is teetering towards the former of my two examples. It will in the end not only damage themselves, it will damage all the rest of us too.

Now, tell me, "Profits are more important than...."

Lets also talk about short term profits vs long term outlook. There is very little thing such as a 'long term outlook'... Just like with the former of my examples, they tried to save 2 quarters of profits and ended up losing the whole company.

85 posted on 08/05/2003 10:48:25 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: vbmoneyspender
My type of businessman is fair, and just. People trust him and his products. The aim is to treat people fairly and give people what they pay for. The aim is to improve people's lives. If I make a little profit off of that, fine.

Your type of businessman is all wrong...employees are slaves and have no rights. They aren't owed jobs (which they themselves probably never said in the first place). Your type of businessman couldn't attract talent because he degrades who he employs. And above all, they don't invest in the people they want to actually SELL stuff too.

Business is a two way street, at least. Try running it as a one way, and you won't run it very long. You are trying so hard to get rich, and suredly you never will...

86 posted on 08/05/2003 10:56:21 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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