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To: Lazamataz
I remember the discussion you and Nick had the other day about the effect of corporations being able to shift work around the world and deploy automation, forcing the return on labor
(wages, salaries) to a minimum. Nick's idea was that if the trend continues, the return on capital will increase correspondingly and even the US ultimately becomes a country with
a small super-rich elite and a huge underclass just hanging on.

The danger of a socialist populist political movement to 'correct the social injustice' under those circumstances seems real enough, but how far in that direction can things go;
how can increasingly poor people be customers for the factory-owners products? Isn't it in the capitalists interest to have customers able to buy what's being produced?

Or are we tipping over into a 'tragedy of the commons' scenario with no one able to stop the destruction?

Is what's happening in the world economically the same thing happening in much of Africa physically: the exploitation of the weak by the strong?

27 posted on 08/03/2003 8:19:58 AM PDT by MrNatural (..".You want the truth?!"...)
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To: MrNatural
how can increasingly poor people be customers for the factory-owners products? Isn't it in the capitalists interest to have customers able to buy what's being produced?

The name of the game is standard of living, not cash

If lots of people are poor, then it's really cheap to hire the army of gophers, servants, and assistants that really determines the lifestyle of the rich. Also, the elimination of the middle-class means that there will be no source of competition for the upper-class, so they relax. Imagine being a wealthy person in 1980 and having a chunk of your fortune invested in IBM, while unknown to you people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mike Dell were tinkering in their garages.

A static environment favors wealthy investors who don't have the brainpower to spot new trends early.

220 posted on 08/03/2003 10:57:12 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: MrNatural
how can increasingly poor people be customers for the factory-owners products? Isn't it in the capitalists interest to have customers able to buy what's being produced?

Unless the rich will advance the class warfare to the formal or informal coup establishing Latin American style oligarchy, the regular people will vote for some Socialist redistribution and get the goodies without bying them.

Normal people prefer to live in socialist Sweden than in San Salvador.

237 posted on 08/03/2003 11:21:48 AM PDT by A. Pole
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