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White-collar jobs may not be back soon
Dallas Morning News via Boston Globe ^ | August 3, 2003 | Angela Shah

Posted on 08/03/2003 2:37:02 AM PDT by sarcasm

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

But those very same forces are now serving to prolong workers' misery. More college-educated executives and managers have been cut from payrolls this last recession, compared with previous ones. And it's taking them longer to find new work.

More worrisome to them, however, is that the jobs may never come back.


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To: LS
Um, tariffs are marxist. They deny that individuals can creat their own value.

Oh really and just who gave you that bit of idiocy. By calling tariffs Marxist you are spouting some ignoramus' line that has no basis in History. The USA had a protective traiff for manufacturing before Karl Marx was born. The fact that individual staes were having a great many problems with foreign tariffs under the Article's of Confederarion was one of teh reasons for a Constitutional Convention. No one who has read Adam Smith or Alexander Hamilton could possibly take the position that tariffs are Marxist.

Please read some economics and history before you give such copiuos proof of your own ignorance. "Better to be thought a fool by remaining silent than to give evidence of that by openings one's moth."

81 posted on 08/03/2003 8:15:30 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Lessismore
The last doctor I saw at the clinic here is Indian. <P. But that doctor if practicing in the USA met American liscensing requirements and was either an American resident alien or an American citizen. There is currently a case before the WTO where American medical liscensing requirements are being challenged as a non-tariff barrier to trade.
82 posted on 08/03/2003 8:18:02 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: raybbr
Why do banks pay 1.5% for money and we are paying 12-26% for the money we borrow?

Because they can.

While credit cards are hugely profitable for the banks, they don't get all the spread. Part of the spread goes to Visa, a hugely rich international instititution, more powerful than even the biggest banks. The card transaction processing networks are also huge and expensive to run. You are also paying for all the people who go bankrupt and don't pay off their balances, as well as rampant credit card fraud losses due to the fact that mag stripe card security is pathetic at best.

Get a card that gives you 1% back on your purchases, and then pay the balance off every month. That way you get back part of the vigorish the card companies charge the merchant.

83 posted on 08/03/2003 8:18:56 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: LS
Baloney. America's most successful and famous entrepreneurs almost ALL started after they were middle-aged failuers: Ray Kroc didn't come across McDonald's until he was in his late 40s selling Dixie Cups; C. W. Post was a failure at everything and in a health asylum, broke, when he invented Postum and Grape Nuts; Mary Kay Ash had two kids and no husband when she started her own cosmetics company at age 50; P. T. Barnum didn't create his famous circus until age 70!!!; the guys who invented Home Depot were both in middle age and not particularly successful as I recall.

Please cite such a story from an era in which the USA was not employing protective tariffs. further Phineas T Barnum was a sucessful showman long before he created his circus.

84 posted on 08/03/2003 8:22:36 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: LS
Most companies could not explain this phenomenon. They knew it was occuring, and they knew managers were no longer "profitable," but could not specifically say why. In the 1990s, we saw the first big wave of these managerial layoffs. There will be more, because managers (not all, but many) HAVE BECOME BOTTLENECKS TO INFORMATION TRANSMISSION WITHIN A CORPORATION.

This is a very interesting perspective.

I would add that the US college and university system is geared to turning out graduates that fit into the previous managerial role. This was done through a liberal arts and business adminstration type of education.

By contrast, the Indian and especially Chinese systems turn out a very high percentage of science and engineering degrees, and thus have a workforce with educations that address the new skills required today.

85 posted on 08/03/2003 8:29:39 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: sarcasm
This issue is the GOP's Achilles Heel, for two reasons...

1. No matter what the GOP does, it is easily demogogued by the Democrats, who have no idea what to do about it either and even if they did, still wouldn't because it goes against their own voter base.

2. The GOP could partially address it by staunching the flood of illegal immigration, but won't because they are afraid of offending the "Hispanic Vote".

Illegal immigration is soaking up millions of jobs at the lower end of the spectrum, is depressing wages in the lower and lower-middle end of the wage spectrum, removes a needed employment source for temporarily unemployed workers, is a cash drain on the collection of legal taxes, is a cash drain in the services system (especially medical and social services), is toxic to the rule of law, and is a horrendous balance-of-payments problem as much of the cash is sent overseas for work performed here.

Item 2 is also perfect for the Dems to demogogue. They can promise all sorts of free stuff to voters, both legal and illegal, while simultaneously beating the GOP to death for their heard-heartedness.

The only losers are Americans who want to mind their own business, control their own destiny, and work an honest job.

86 posted on 08/03/2003 8:42:05 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: LS
Try reading Michael Porter's "The Competitive Advantage of Nations," which is a MASSIVE study of 10 countries (U.S., Br., France, It., Japan, Switz, Germany, Sweden, and a couple of others) and their competitive advantage.

This has a '90 copyright? Written during the second Regan administration?

87 posted on 08/03/2003 8:42:52 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: PenguinWry
Bush may have lost my vote too. Asleep at the wheel. If Rove was so smart he would see that this is an issue. Unfortunatly they only listen to the pundits. Add that to growing government= Republican Light
88 posted on 08/03/2003 8:53:44 AM PDT by cp124
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To: Lessismore
Right. But his points are quite valid: competitiveness is not product A competing against product B, but cluster A competing against cluster B. And as he shows, these clusters are not easily formed, and certainly not easily dismantled (the Italian tile "cluster" has basically been around for a hundred years).

Moreover, I think he has some recent updates at Harvard Business School that continue to confirm his thesis in this book with new evidence.

89 posted on 08/03/2003 10:03:45 AM PDT by LS
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To: Lessismore
True on our graduates, no question. But while foreign students have a "nuts and bolts" advantage---as the Japanese did, overwhelmingly, in the 1980s---neither the Indians nor the Chinese, nor any other group has the individualistic ENTREPRENEURIAL elements that make our businesses and our employees great.

The bad news is that our kids, to get the mundane skills they need to compete, often have to do so on their own when they should have received them. The good news is that they still are inbred with a certain sense adventure and rebellion that leads them to look for the next breakthrough rather than continuing to improve on the widget. The nature of the foreign systems is that no matter how "good" they get at the nuts and bolts, their culture does NOT encourage them to a) think outside the box, and b) become entrepreneurial.

Now, PARTS of India are improving in that regard, but they are still light years behind Silicon Valley and Boise.

90 posted on 08/03/2003 10:07:25 AM PDT by LS
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To: harpseal
Mary Kay Ash? Where have you been. She made her mark in the late 1950s. Ray Kroc? Since when were there protective tariffs on hamburgers? Man you are out to lunch (no pun intended).
91 posted on 08/03/2003 10:08:29 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS
Protective tariffs were in place untill the last round of the GATT talks this provided the economic envirornment for these entrepenuers to thrive. Like I said show me some entrepenurial success stories from a no tariff envirornment.
93 posted on 08/03/2003 10:14:49 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: searchandrecovery
Tariffs are Marxist. They presume individuals are incompetent and helpless without Big Government. But you are well-versed in the Marxist/pro-tariff mantra, I'll give you that.
94 posted on 08/03/2003 10:15:05 AM PDT by LS
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Um. Our nation had slavery too. Didn't mean it was right, just, moral, or even good economics. And the GOP was wrong on this. Thank God they got some sense.
95 posted on 08/03/2003 10:15:50 AM PDT by LS
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To: Bluntpoint
You lost me.
96 posted on 08/03/2003 10:16:18 AM PDT by LS
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To: harpseal
Try reading anything by George Gilder. People like Michael Zabian, or J. R. Simplot, or Marc Andreasson. Try any of the PARENTS of my students who every year do a paper on entrepreneurs in their family, and half got their big successes in the 1990s.
97 posted on 08/03/2003 10:17:45 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS
Don't be an insulting turd.

It is typical of Marxist internationalist such as you to engage in personal insult. Abolition of tariffs is an idea specifically advicated by Marx. An idea can be anti-Christian even if introduced before Christ; and an economic concept can be Marxist in its essentials well before Marx. who STOLE his ideas from everyone else anyway.

Now would you please go back to the l;ibrary at yopur college andf read you little peice of filth about what the USA was founded upon. Personal liberty protective traiffs were viewed as essential to personal liberty. Equating tariff s with slavery is not really valid historically as slaveholders and those who profitted from slaveholding were the primary opponents of protective tariffs. You really should have read a history book before you started posing on Free Republic and calling names. I am used top seeing Marxist isealogs post on Free Republic and the tactics are always the same personal attack without basis. Assertions of facts contradictory to the historical record. denial of facts continued lying and deciet.

Tariffs provided the basis for teh USA going from an agricultural enclave hugging the Atlantic Coast to the greatest industrial power of the world. The decline of the British Empire correlates nicely with the British getting rid of protective tariffs.

Your personal attacks make me realize that you are just another anti-American piece of filth who is tryiong to use the fact the US once had slavery as a weapon against the USA. The USA fought a Civil War over the issues of Slavery and tariffs the side advicating slavery was against protective tariffs.

Clearly today the side advoicating a reintroduction of slavery to the USA is the side against protective tariffs.

98 posted on 08/03/2003 10:23:48 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: oceanview
more papers are doing stories about it

Yesterday it was the front page story on AOL which millions of members saw as soon as they logged in.

99 posted on 08/03/2003 10:24:14 AM PDT by Fraulein
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