Drifting away: Many fear such 'offshoring' will hurt the economy and nationa l security.

Denver Post ^ | August 3, 2003 | Jennifer Beauprez,

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[Finalapproach29er]

Pres. Bush is going to underestimate this political threat. There is grumbling among people in my parts about having to compete against Indian computer programmers. If the Dems ever get a messege,look out, this election is going to be there for the taking. American wages almost have to go down with the market being wide open. My two cents.

[sarcasm]

Outsourcing is the political issue of this decade - politicians just haven't realized it.

[Yeti]

Pres. Bush is going to underestimate this political threat.

He seems to think he can dramatically unveil evidence of WMD in Iraq just before the election and everything will be okay.

[doosee]

"Don't pigeonhole yourself into just learning computer science," he said. "A lot of creativity for software cannot be done offshore."

Having worked in the IT business for seemingly forever, allow me a generalization here. There are basically two kinds of people in the programming profession. Those who can and those who cannot. Those who can are typically strong mathematically, highly conscious of minute details (analytical), and are less prone to be concerned about big picture areas like business strategy etc. Many people who cannot program well are gifted with better interpersonal skillsets and through increased dialogue create opportunities to devise new solutions (out of the box).
These differences are why I think it is easy to say but not easily done when you tell a person who is a world class programmer that they need to develop more business skills.

[ex-Texan]

*bump* !

[raybbr]

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[BushCountry]

There is now a much more widespread expectation of strong economic growth. As many as 52% of respondents expect FY ’04 gross domestic product (GDP) to grow at 6.5%. A significant 37% even expected the GDP growth to hit the 7% figure. This is much higher than the growth recorded in recent years. Some research agencies have already put out GDP projections of 6 to 6.5% for FY ’04.

This is the lastest figures on the GDP for next year. If we hit over 6% (low end) the country will be at full employment. It always happens in a booming ecomony (Bill Clinton's 20 million jobs). I know it is hard to tell someone who is unemployed to have a little patience, but soon, real soon, it will be an employee market again.

Next, do you realize that half the people on this planet never touched a computer screen? Do you realize that there is an explosive technology boom (telecommunications & Information Technology) happening worldwide? Do you realize that it would be stupid for American companies not to have a presence overseas to take advantage? Soon, the world will not be able to meet the demand for I/T professionals and require American solutions.

[raybbr]

Next, do you realize that half the people on this planet never touched a computer screen? Do you realize that there is an explosive technology boom (telecommunications & Information Technology) happening worldwide?

That's because they don't have electricity. Do you really think that people in the outback of Australia or the jungles of Asia or in Rwanda are ever going to need IT?

[ExSES]

Young college graduates already are starting to adapt, said Terry Wanger, director of DU's Suitts Center for Career Placement. She said 73 percent of DU's new graduates are getting jobs because they bring with them additional expertise and they expect jobs with lower salaries and less responsibility.

And this is the "Good" news????

I certainly do not envy the youth of today. While they have always enjoyed all the "goodies" in life, now they face a rather grim period of economic readjustment! It was much easier to start with "squat" and improve one's standard of living than to ride the economic slope downward for a long period of time!

[BushCountry]

I know you don't want to see this since you are in a doom and gloom mode, but when the GDP grows so will demand for employess. American companies are in a business cycle where they must upgrade their I/T to survive. They held back too long due the to terrorist threat and their aging equipment is degrading. Look for renewed spending as the cash flows in.  Below is the listing for the fastest growing jobs.  You might want to notice that communication and computers will experience around 100% job growth.

Job Search - Job Listing - Fastest Growing Jobs [1998-2008]

• Data Communication Analysts +106% change
• Computer Security Specialists +106% change
• Computer Engineers +103% change
• Computer Systems Analysts +85% change
• Computer Support Specialists +85% change
• Page Layout Workers +76% change
• Chiropractors +70% change
• Paralegals +68% change
• Medical Assistants +62% change

[djf]

And nothing on your list is a person who actually produces something.

I like that commercial:

"Why are we here?"

"Shirts. We're a shirt company. We make shirts"

[RaceBannon]

Ducky

[BushCountry]

The growth of technology and telecommunications in the world is booming. You can pick isolated situations (jungles of Asia or in Rwanda) all you want, but you can not close your eyes to the truth. Let's look a small segment of growth, DSL which requires massive telecommunication improvements and computers.

With 52 countries now having DSL technology in commercial deployment, broadband subscriptions are growing in every one of them while dial up internet access subscriptions are beginning to decline. China added 1.985 million broadband DSL subscribers during 2002, a massive 845% growth in the year, according to figures prepared by London-based analyst firm Point Topic for the international DSL Forum. Western Europe enjoyed an annual growth of 121% compared to global growth of 90%. South Korea continues to hold first place in global rankings of DSL penetration of main phone lines. In percentage terms, Portugal was the fastest growing broadband DSL market in 2002 at 1,658% growth. Lithuania, Mexico and Russia all achieved over 1,000% growth in the year, all starting from a low deployment base at the end of 2001.

[doosee]

Job Search - Job Listing - Fastest Growing Jobs [1998-2008]

I see this study was created back when IT was booming from the Y2K hysteria and the .com boom. The fact is network diagnosis, page layouts, etc can ALL be done and are being done offshore. The study, if redone today, would be more accurate to say Fastest Growing Jobs in Far East.... Personally I think Handicap Ramp Construction and Meals on Wheels delivery jobs are going to be the fastest growing US jobs... (only being partly sarcastic on this last sentence)

[RaceBannon]

Do you realize that all these American Companies that are being set up overseas are leaking all the technical know-how to foreign governments who will use it against us??

Why are some people so stupid!!

This is an economic war, and India and China are going to suck us dry and drain all our manufacturing and knowlege based technologies ut of the country using slave labor wages to do it, and all some of you here can do is cheerlead it!!

[raybbr]

...you are in a doom and gloom mode,...

You caught me. It's gloomy outside due to the weather and I guess I need some sun.

Okay, in terms of growth, that's wonderful. In terms of numbers, we'll see.

I am ambivalent about this supposed economic growth. According to reports we have been in growth since Nov. 2001. It certainly hasn't trickled down as far as I can tell.

[RaceBannon]

Every sinlg one of thos technologies is dependent on whether companies have somethng to produce in order to make a profit so that they have the capital to invest in those technologies you 'say' are going to be rebuilt.

If we are not manufacturing anything, we have no need to upgrade to more modern networking or programming.

[harpseal]

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