[omegatoo]

The description of how to perform 'legal' PBA is taken out of context in the original post in that it quotes the definition of PBA in the bill and then rails that anything other than that is allowed. Of course the bill can't ban every abortion, or it would never see the light of day, but to take the definition of what is banned and turn it around to say that this bill legalizes everything else is misleading to say the least.

On rereading Sir Gawain's questions, I do think that this bill would be better if it used "the mother's womb" instead of "the mother's body" as a mark, but I still think it is a reasonable bill. It would be nearly impossible to perform a PBA without the naval or the entire head exposed, so this bill WILL stop some abortions.

More importantly than this, however, there will now be restrictions on what can and cannot be done. This means that every time an abortion is performed, the abortionist is now subject to rules that if violated can send him/her to jail. That changes the playing field immensely and I think is more important than the actual description of WHAT is banned. What abortionist can be sure of the loyalty of their entire staff when one belly button can send you to jail? I like the idea of them constantly having to look over their shoulders, I think it will slow them down and even push some of them to stop performing these procedures just because of the risk of a belly button slipping out.

Sorry to be so long, but I just thought of this, too. If a belly button does slip out, the abortioninst now has to (horror of horrors) deliver the baby. Now you have a live, premature, critical care baby. That means all abortion centers will have to have the means to resusitate those babies or face mega malpractice awards from disabled kids. Not to mention that their malpractice insurance is going to go through the roof. Will they have to have pediatric intensivists on call? Incubators? Respirators? PICU trained nurses? Hey, I think I've stumbled on something great here!

Love, O2

[omegatoo]

Meant to reply to you, too, since I included you in my post.

O2

[Sir Gawain]

Good points. Too bad I got painted a traitor to the cause just for asking a technical question.

[Mo1]

Will they have to have pediatric intensivists on call? Incubators? Respirators? PICU trained nurses? Hey, I think I've stumbled on something great here!

Yes you have

[TigersEye]

Excellent! Post #209 is, as Zappa might say, the crux of the biscuit.

[William Wallace]

Sorry to be so long, but I just thought of this, too. If a belly button does slip out, the abortioninst now has to (horror of horrors) deliver the baby. Now you have a live, premature, critical care baby. That means all abortion centers will have to have the means to resusitate those babies or face mega malpractice awards from disabled kids. Not to mention that their malpractice insurance is going to go through the roof. Will they have to have pediatric intensivists on call? Incubators? Respirators? PICU trained nurses? Hey, I think I've stumbled on something great here!

Precisely.

[Yeti]

What abortionist can be sure of the loyalty of their entire staff when one belly button can send you to jail?

If he slips and the baby comes most of the way out, it won't be "deliberate and intentional."

Oh, well. The sense of the Yeti is that it doesn't matter too much what I say here.

Dubya, I scare myself when I wax prophetic. But I guess it's better to laugh than cry in situations like this.

[honeygrl]

Wow, I see how it's meant to work now and that it should be a very useful ban if they can enforce it well. Is there a way for them to prove easily when a doctor doesn't follow the law? How are they required to document each abortion so that it's clear when they violate the ban? I think they should be required to video tape it so the mother can see exactly how it was done if she chooses to so if they screw up, she has proof AND it could show the mother having the abortion exactly what she just had done to her and her baby. For the life of me, I cannot understand how a woman could go that far into the pregnancy and abort the baby instead of giving it up for adoption when it's naturally born. Then, she doesn't have to keep the baby and it makes some other family very happy and blessed to find a baby to adopt. I feel very certain that newborns are easy to find adoptive parents even though the older kids have trouble finding homes. I hear the waiting lists are very long here in the US for babies. I know my hubby's cousin had to adopt a child from another country to find a younger child that hadn't already been mentally warped from being moved from foster home to foster home. They finally found a 3yr old boy from a hispanic country (if I remember right) and he's just so sweet and well behaved.