PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

NewsWithViews.com ^ | May 9, 2003 | By David Brownlow

[Fred Mertz]

Why do prosecutions bother you? You should be glad.

[Howlin]

you and Luiz have people to discuss, surely...

I guess that's not a rude remark either, right?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I don't know WHY this is so hard for some folks to grasp.

It's not hard to grasp. It's just one more vehicle with which to exercise hysterical dissatisfaction with President Bush. Even when they win, it seems they'd rather lose.

[nunya bidness]

If the abortionist does perform a PBA, under this law, he would have to prove that the procedure was essential to save the mother's life.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. How does the state enforce circumstances as you describe?

After all, with restrictions on a doctor's activity defined to the degree that this bill specifies there would have to be a judge sitting behind every abortion doctor's shoulder like an umpire. Do you see that happening?

[CWOJackson]

It's not beyond their grasp, just beyond their agenda. Some people are concerned with ending abortion and understand that it must be done one step at a time.

Some people are simply interested in attacking the President and will fabricate any argument they can to attain that goal.

[Mo1]

Why do prosecutions bother you? You should be glad.

Fred .. he did not say that .. please re-read what Jim said

[jjbrouwer]

Put the bottle down

No. You might snatch it away from me...

[CWOJackson]

You beat me by a couple of second...okay quick draw.

[Jim Robinson]

Hey, I'm fine with it. Personally, I'd like to see them strung up for murder. What I said was, the very same people who are complaining about this bill today will be here complaining like crazy when the first perps are prosecuted.

[CFC__VRWC]

Is there a big loophole? Or are there other "Things" banned in another part of the bill that take care of this?

This entire thread was started when one of the members of the Legion of Doom and Gloom posted a stinkbomb of an article that portrayed the passage of this bill as the latest example of George W. Bush and the Great Joo Conspiracy selling the country down the river because they can. There is a contingent of loony extremists that have been a real pain in the ass lately, spamming this site with all kinds of crap about how we're all screwed and the country is doomed and it's all George Bush's fault. They hate Bush with an intensity that makes the rantings over at Delusions Unlimited seem like sane, reasoned discourse.

Unfortunately, they have managed to create a total NON-ISSUE with the PBA ban by distorting the bill's language, and fool some genuinely pro-life people here into believing that the Republican Party is bending them over yet again. These pro-lifers have been so taken by the venom these Bush-haters have been spewing that they cannot see they're being played like a bunch of cheap fiddles, for the purpose of siphoning conservative votes away from George Bush.

I've been checking on this thread throughout the day and cannot begin to express how dismayed I have been. For the first time I can remember, the tide of the abortion debate has turned in our favor. A clear majority of the public favors, at a bare minimum, very definite restrictions on abortion, if not a complete ban exept in very rare, very extreme circumstances. We're winning hearts and minds here, and for the very first time we have a chance to actually get a law placing some sort of restrictions on abortion enacted. Is this ban perfect? Absolutely not, but by God it's a start. It is, to steal a line from Senator Sot, a "down payment."

And now we're trying our best to piss all this progress away by screaming and kicking and holding our breath like little children throwing temper tantrums because we didn't get everything we wanted. And since we didn't get everything, by God we'll take nothing! And all the while that so many of us are pitching fits while playing little semantics games with one another, the people who would destroy the Republican Party, nay, the people who would DESTROY OUR NATION to make room for their little anarchist utopia, sit back and chuckle at us "Bots."

I suggest that everyone who has been contributing to or following this thread bookmark it. Because this PBA ban still may not make it into law if the Senate Rats decide they will take it down by refusing to budge in conference committee. And if that happens, I guarantee you that many of the same posters who have been running on and on all day about how the Republicans are a bunch of political whores and about how Bush is a sellout for offering this bill will be right back, stirring up fresh trouble by saying that Bush sold us out because he didn't fight for the PBA ban.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Laws are not designed to stop crimes from happening, they are designed to punish those who break them.

Even a full ban on late-term abortions would not hold up under your "what if"...as a matter of fact, no anti-abortion law would hold up under that light, or any laws for that matter.

The law would effectively end the practice for those who do not wish to do something that may bring about legal challenges, the rest will not be stopped by any law.

[CWOJackson]

Fred's called a timeout while he consults with his coach.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Comes to show yoiu...had you ever been paying attention, you would know that I don't drink.

BTW, you're not one of Gawain's alter egos, are you?

[jjbrouwer]

You spell that way sober...?

[MHGinTN]

What is Liberty Post.com and why are messages to me being posted there when I've never posted a single thing at that 'site'(?)? The following is but one of a strange series there among the posts of which are some addressed to me! I was unaware that Askel5 had gone to this 'other' forum, yet it appears the posters there see nothing cowardly or insulting in posting to persons not even on their forum so unable to respond to their assertions:

130. To: askel5 (#125)
Note, too, that they are still, after hours of this nonsense, dodging the issue of the "anything goes" implication in the bill before the whole head or the navel pops out.
That seems to be the one issue they haven't addressed...the JimBots have discussed my reasons for discussing this, posted my words, and grabbed the wrong end of the stick and started beating about the bush with it.
But they still haven't addressed anything I've posted in context.
How limp...
Mercuria posted on 2003-08-06 00:53:09 ET Reply Trace

[justshe]

Standing ovation!

Well done.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Do you have anything to say, or are you just this evening's entertainment?

If that's the case, how about a little "Melancholy Baby"?

[Howlin]

Bookmarked!

[Mo1]

Very nicely put .. Thank you

[Mo1]

surpise surprise