Bush, Republicans losing support of retired veterans

Knight Ridder ^ | 07-28-03

[austinTparty]

Vets were promised military health care if they put in twenty years (think about it: TWENTY years. That is one helluva lot of service to their country)---but you want them to have Medicare. They EARNED their health care. You sure you weren't Marie Antoinette in another life? Let them eat cake...

[exodus]

Dane - Then if you didin't take the time to see the differences between the candidates, then you have no right to bitch and moan.
carenot - I don't like to vote for the lesser of two evils. Not didn't vote at all. I voted for Harry Browne. I wish they had a "none of the above" vote.
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"None of the above" would have been a good choice in the last election.

I have a feeling that "None of the above" would win a lot of elections, both State and National.

[VRWC_minion]

This is a Constitutional Republic, and for a Republic to work, we must each of us vote for what we think is right, not for what we think will get the support of those we don't agree with.

I have no problem with that, just don't complain that the candidate that does get elected reflects what the majority of the voters in the majority of electoral states want. Thats our system. And currently it virtually guarantees that the kind of candidate the purists want to elect have as much a chance of getting elected and a flaming liberal.

Thats the system, like it or not.

PS, what is false about my comment that it takes 50.1% of the population in states comrpising the electoral majority ? Did the constitution get amended ?

[VRWC_minion]

You said ALL Vets were promised health care. You imply ALL vest won't vote for Bush. They are your claims. They are baseless.

[VRWC_minion]

Medicare isn't health care ? Free use of the same hospitals our current military uses isn't health care ? What exactly got promised ?

[tpaine]

I was honored to defend this nation and will continue to defend it to my last breath.
-Kevin Curry-


Noble words KC. Many of us here were so honored, and we pledged to protect & defend our constitution.

Yet you spend most of your time here, trashing fellow constitutionalists. How do you justify this dichotomy in your thinking?

Heres a 'libertarian' position paper. Please tell me of your objections to its principles:




REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS POSITION STATEMENT
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/721810/posts

[jmc813]

Good luck getting a response to that. In the words of the esteemed Mr. Curry, "You'll have to wait until Baghdad freezes over".

[carenot]

Oh that's right Chretien is pro-pot and anti-American.

Why are you saying that?

[tpaine]

He listened to 'bagdad bob' a bit to much, methinks.

[exodus]

jwalsh07 - I'm curious, what did Bush lie about?
exodus - Bush lied when he said he would not support embryonic research.
jwalsh07 - Here is the speech, where is the lie?
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Candidate Bush promised not to support embryonic research.

President Bush lied by redefining "embryonic," saying that the existing research was being conducted on embryonic material already dead, so it wasn't really embryonic research.

Quoting Bush, from the speech you posted:

"My administration must decide whether to allow federal funds, your tax dollars, to be used for scientific research on stem cells derived from human embryos. A large number of these embryos already exist..."

"... Research on embryonic stem cells raises profound ethical questions, because extracting the stem cell destroys the embryo, and thus destroys its potential for life. Like a snowflake, each of these embryos is unique, with the unique genetic potential of an individual human being ..."

"... As a result of private research, more than 60 genetically diverse stem cell lines already exist. They were created from embryos that have already been destroyed, and they have the ability to regenerate themselves indefinitely, creating ongoing opportunities for research. I have concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for research on these existing stem-cell lines, where the life-and-death decision has already been made ..."

[jwalsh07]

No,no,no! That's not how it works. I'm not taking your word for it. I want you to provide documented evidence of Bush's stated position relative to embryos and existing stem cell lines prior to his election. If you show that then you have proven he is a liar.

Until then, it's all bologna.

[ohioWfan]

Shame on the Republican Party for not giving us a good candidate.

Like who???? Harry Browne?? ROFLOL!!

I saw him interviewed on Fox and I fell on the floor laughing! He wasn't a serious candidate, and you voted for him! LOL!!

[F.J. Mitchell]

I am a retired veteran and I certainly will vote for Bush and other Republican candidates for various offices.

The Democrats are the worst possible thing that could happen to the country-we can't afford them.

[exodus]

carenot - I don't like to vote for the lesser of two evils. Not didn't vote at all. I voted for Harry Browne
Kevin Curry - Browne isn't "good." He's just another evil. Ergo, you voted for an evil.
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True, Kevin Curry, Browne was also a "lesser" evil. I voted for Browne, not because I agree with him or with the Libertarian Party, but because of the candidates actually allowed to be on the national ballot, Browne was the best of the lot.

In the primaries I voted for Keyes, because he was the best in the primaries. Keyes supports the drug war, so I also consider him to be an "evil," just not as great an evil as the other Republican candidates.

If the Republicans won't give me someone better than the various third parties have to offer, my "not as evil" vote will go to a third party conservative.

Both Republicans and Democrats tried to foist off a liberal on me.

I will not vote for a socialist.

[carenot]

But that still doesn't change the fact that you, IMO, have been a hopeless malcontent since you have registered on FR.

OH, DANE!

[McGavin999]

I am grateful for what I have been provided courtesy of the American taxpayer. I was honored to defend this nation and will continue to defend it to my last breath.

God bless you Kevin Curry, and thank you for your service.

[exodus]

exodus - Candidate Bush promised not to support embryonic research. President Bush lied by redefining "embryonic," saying that the existing research was being conducted on embryonic material already dead, so it wasn't really embryonic research.
jwalsh07 - No,no,no! That's not how it works. I'm not taking your word for it. I want you to provide documented evidence of Bush's stated position relative to embryos and existing stem cell lines prior to his election. If you show that then you have proven he is a liar. Until then, it's all bologna.
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Bush did not state his opinion on "stem cell lines" before the election, but he did say that he wouldn't support embryonic research with federal money.

When Bush decided as President to allow embryonic research, it made a big stink because candidate Bush had promised not to support embryonic research.

You were there, and apparently you saved the thread, or you wouldn't have posted Bush's speech so fast, where he justified supporting embryonic research by redefining what embryonic research is.

As I said, you were there. Send me a link to the thread and I'll search the page for the link you say I need to support my opinion.

[junta]

They have a lobby and he is pandering to it. Have yourself put on the "immigration list" and read the articles that chronicle the LaRaza gangs actions/

[jwalsh07]

Bush did not state his opinion on "stem cell lines" before the election, but he did say that he wouldn't support embryonic research with federal money.

So he didn't lie?

I was probably on the thread but that's not where I got the speech from. Google.

[Redleg Duke]

You, Sir, certainly sound like one!