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George F. Will:President Bush has turned conservatism on its head, infuriating many supporters
The Union Leader, Manchester, NH ^ | July 24, 2003 | George F. Will

Posted on 07/24/2003 4:00:40 AM PDT by RJCogburn

Edited on 07/24/2003 4:39:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

THIS IS THE is the summer of conservatives? discontent. Conservatism has been disoriented by events in the last several weeks. Cumulatively, foreign and domestic developments constitute an identity crisis of conservatism, which is being recast ? and perhaps rendered incoherent.

George W. Bush may be the most conservative person to serve as President since Calvin Coolidge. Yet his Presidency is coinciding with, and is in some instances initiating or ratifying, developments disconcerting to four factions within conservatism. The faction that focuses on foreign policy has four core principles: Preserve U.S. sovereignty and freedom of action by marginalizing the United Nations. Reserve military interventions for reasons of U.S. national security, not altruism. Avoid peacekeeping operations that compromise the military?s war-fighting proficiencies. Beware of the political hubris inherent in the intensely unconservative project of ?nation-building.?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrine; conservatism; georgefwill
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To: Miss Marple
Apparently, there are a lot of people who think the mark of a true conservative is talking really mean about folks they don't agree with. Could the President change Justice O'Connor's opinion? No. But if he had only said some insulting things about her, then everything would be ok.

That seems a bit simplistic. He could've refused to comment or politely voiced a differing opinion. By agreeing with her he put the GOPs stamp of approval on her decision - it remains for each Republican to decide whether they support that position.

21 posted on 07/24/2003 5:52:39 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: RJCogburn
I support President Bush. It's nice that the gay Republicans can boast of weekly access to the White House. But it's conservatives like me who elected him, and we are barely tolerated by the powers in this administration.

They say, Where are you going to go? I feel like they know that I'll put love of country above allowing a Marxist Dem to be elected as the next President, but I don't like being taken for granted.

And if any of you White House or RNC folks are lurking, I speak for until numbers of people who are your base. And we are not happy campers.
22 posted on 07/24/2003 5:52:57 AM PDT by exit82 (Constitution?--I got your Constitution right here!--T. Daschle)
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To: exit82; ActionNewsBill
I agree with you both. There is little measurable difference between the republican and democrat parties. Conservatives are treated, in the GOP, like blacks are treated in the democrat party. Lip service during election cycles, and abandonment every other time.
23 posted on 07/24/2003 5:57:04 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: ActionNewsBill
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

If you do anything that helps the greater evil, then you are no better. That's the way it is.

Not from where I'm sitting.

Your sitting in the wrong place. Change seats.

No difference at all.

Open your eyes. Are they the same on abortion and partial birth abortion? On support of school vouchers and homeschooling? On support of the military in war AND peace? On tax cuts? On tort reform? Etc, Etc. The Dems WILL out spend and out tax the Republicans...count on it. The GOP is ignoring illegal immigration...the Dems are encouraging it.

24 posted on 07/24/2003 6:09:05 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Teacher317
It is not the President's responsibility to reinterpret Supreme Court decisions; I didn't like it when Clinton tried to circumvent them, and I don't want the President to do so.

The proper thing to do is to make an inconsequential statement and appoint replacements that he HOPES will be more conservative in their interpretation.

And I am speaking of the tone on this board generally, in that I see an awful lot of people who want the President to "make statements" attacking members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, Clinton, the French, whoever.

It isn't going to happen. He is not that type of person.

I have noticed an awful lot of people who attack legislation without looking at its content. In my opinion, Bush is trying to move things in the nation to the right gradually. You have to look at the entire body of actions and legislation, not one single thing.

I realize there are people who want every single piece of legislation to be conservative. They are bound to be disappointed.

I stand by what I said. Too many people want speeches that make them feel good and do not look at long-term goals. The primary thing is to get judges appointed that are strict constructionists. Coming out and criticizing a Supreme Court decision raises all sorts of red flags with the left, and allows them to block any candidate with the excuse that whoever Bush names will be unacceptable. With an election approaching, it is necessary that the democrats NOT have judges as an issue. Any public statement that is critical of the moderate justices will have a negative effect on getting a larger Senate majority, which is what we are going to need when a vacancy occurs.

Now, some will say this is politics, not principles. But politics is what is used to build a majority, not shooting oneself in the foot for a momentary feel-good moment for conservatives.

25 posted on 07/24/2003 6:09:32 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Consort
Just to help me sit in the right place, could you direct me to a site where I can retrieve the daily GOP talking points. Mindlessly repeating those points will be so much easier than actually thinking about the issues, and all for convenience and not disturbing my brain.
26 posted on 07/24/2003 6:16:20 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Cacophonous
People on the right are finally becoming emboldened. The War on Terror is an important mission, but it cannot entirely displace sensible conservative domestic policy, and war will not get Bush re-elected. Trust me, you're not going to see Uday and Qusay's corpses in any ads next fall.

It's time to make some demands. I just hope Bush is listening to his base, because people are getting upset, and I don't want Howard Dean as my president.

27 posted on 07/24/2003 6:16:45 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know, 'shooting oneself in the foot for a momentary feel-good moment' seems to reveal a certain masochistic bent!

;^)
28 posted on 07/24/2003 6:22:03 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: RJCogburn
Actually, the administration is eager to approve the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society 40 years ago.

Great Society:
Newspeak Translation=
"Compassionate Conservatism"
Maybe it's a Texas thing; bigger this, bigger that, bigger handouts.

29 posted on 07/24/2003 6:26:18 AM PDT by putupon (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Cacophonous
Conservatives are treated, in the GOP, like blacks are treated in the democrat party.

Precisely! And sometimes I wonder if we don't act just like them too: loyal to a fault. But how can we clean our own house without destroying it?

30 posted on 07/24/2003 6:26:30 AM PDT by Theophilus (Save little Democrats - Stop Abortion!!!)
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To: Miss Marple
And I am speaking of the tone on this board generally, in that I see an awful lot of people who want the President to "make statements" attacking members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, Clinton, the French, whoever. It isn't going to happen. He is not that type of person.

That's too bad, because what we need right now is a leader on domestic issues, who can harness popular outrage at SCOTUS, to give one example, and at least make their overreaches a really big political issue next time around. But because Bush has remained silent, it is more difficult for him to make the argument successfully that Tom Daschle wants to appoint judges who will (figuratively) sodomize us all. That's the way politics works--speeches do matter, because they set agendas and contain promises.

The disturbing thing about Bush is that he often seems unwilling to embrace conservative positions even when it is entirely in his political interest, as in that case.

He should be troubled by the fact that NR and now George Will are after him. These aren't just nutty freepers attacking him.

32 posted on 07/24/2003 6:27:22 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Cacophonous
Do your own research, don't whine, and don't get weird like the Conservatives did in '92.
33 posted on 07/24/2003 6:27:47 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
If you do anything that helps the greater evil, then you are no better. That's the way it is.

It is evil to support any form of evil, however benign it may appear.

34 posted on 07/24/2003 6:28:27 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill (Police state? What police state?)
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To: Miss Marple
Any public statement that is critical of the moderate justices will have a negative effect on getting a larger Senate majority,

This is simply untrue. Try as I may, I cannot picture the angry, outraged protestors coming to the defense of Sandra Day O'Connor.

This would be a great political issue that would make any reasonable conservative forgive almost anything else Bush does.

35 posted on 07/24/2003 6:30:57 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Consort
You misunderstand me. I'm tired of butting my head against a wall, and I want to be part of an organization that constantly (willfully?) destroys itself by eating its own brain; that way they don't have to use it. I too want to chant mindless talking points and blindly follow a leader without having to question his motives and decisions. I don't want to think. I want to be a Republican.
36 posted on 07/24/2003 6:31:00 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: ActionNewsBill
It is evil to support any form of evil, however benign it may appear.

You can support it by action and by inaction. One way or another you will support it, so go for the lesser. Why make things worse?

37 posted on 07/24/2003 6:35:05 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Maceman
George Will is not a conservative---but he did get this right: "the President’s refusal to veto last year’s abominable farm bill (in fact, he has vetoed nothing) was not an aberration. The tax cutting seems unrelated to any thoughtful notion of what the government should and should not do."
38 posted on 07/24/2003 6:36:02 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Consort
The Neo-conservatives dominate the Whitehouse decision making process. Since they are liberals at heart on social issues, therefore, the Real-conservatives are smelling the stinks of this administration dealing with AIDS, Liberia, Immigration, ....
39 posted on 07/24/2003 6:38:51 AM PDT by philosofy123
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