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To: thatdewd
Your addressed nothing in the attempted falsehood about Madison's draft. It was rejected and re-written by Hamilton. There is no credible historian who claims otherwise. Who are these "revisionist historians" the DS brigade are always babbling about? Any one with a degree from a major university?

Hamilton's policy was NOT pro-British, that is a LIE, he was TOTALLY pro-American and that dictated ALL his policies. His policy WAS to maintain neutrality between France and England primarily because the success of his financial system depended upon peace with England. This was why he prevented Jefferson and Madison from imposing constraints and barriers to trade from England.

Why do you think the DemocRAT-Republicans were so dead set AGAINST declaring a policy of neutrality unless they wanted intervention on the side of the French? Hamilton desperately struggled to avoid war with either party even when many Federalists were clamoring for war with the French. He understood that war would mean disaster for the US.

It is foolish to think that Hamilton would be warning (through Washington) against himself. And false. There was never ANY agitation to ally with Britain against France so such a warning was totally unnecessary. The FA address was directly pointed at the D-R Francophiles.

It is still a fact that Washington regarded no man higher than Alexander Hamilton, like it or not.

Care to list any such manipulations? I am not going to be holding my breath waiting for THAT nonsense.
813 posted on 09/10/2003 8:56:19 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; thatdewd
It is still a fact that Washington regarded no man higher than Alexander Hamilton, like it or not.

No it isn't. Washington's regard for Bryan Fairfax was both on a closer, more personal level and of longer duration than anything involving Hamilton.

816 posted on 09/10/2003 6:26:21 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Your addressed nothing in the attempted falsehood about Madison's draft.

LOL, I addressed EVERYTHING in my truths about Madison's draft. Read 'The Papers of George Washington'.

It was rejected and re-written by Hamilton.

LOL, Washington had instructed Hamilton that whatever Hamilton wrote must be, and I quote, "predicated upon the Sentiments" contained in the draft he supplied him with, the document that was primarily Madison's.

There is no credible historian who claims otherwise. Who are these "revisionist historians" the DS brigade are always babbling about? Any one with a degree from a major university?

LOL, based on your nonsensical rantings and circular anti-logic predicated upon the preposterous, I'd say you had quite a familiarity with revisionist historians. They have been quite successful in making people believe such foolishness as you profess regarding Washington's farewell address. Amazing, considering the fact that a simple review of Washington's papers demonstrate the truth. Too many people study historians, and not history.

Hamilton's policy was NOT pro-British, that is a LIE, he was TOTALLY pro-American and that dictated ALL his policies.

LOL, you're losing it. Even his allies admit his pro-British stance in regards to foreign policy. His economic policies were founded on a pro-British policy, and he was more than willing to start a war with France to maintain a pro-British position. That's hardly 'neutral'. You're just spouting nonsense again.

...Hamilton desperately struggled to avoid war with either party even when many Federalists were clamoring for war with the French...

Oh BS. He un-necessarily created a great deal of the animosity that almost led to war with France by convincing Washington to sign that asinine 'Jay Treaty'. Jay took his direction from 'you know who' for that surrender. That mob in New York should have used larger stones when they gave him what he deserved.

It is foolish to think that Hamilton would be warning (through Washington) against himself.

LOL, Remember now, Washington finally wrote his own draft based on the original draft by Madison and the draft he had Hamilton work up "predicated upon the Sentiments" in the one where he (GW) had added some material to Madison's original.

It is still a fact that Washington regarded no man higher than Alexander Hamilton, like it or not.

GW did think highly of Hamilton's abilities, but your statement is false.

Care to list any such manipulations? I am not going to be holding my breath waiting for THAT nonsense.

LOL, Hamilton's manipultive behavior was notorious and was the source of most of his problems. In regards to GW, here's one: Convincing GW to support the idea of a National Bank. Although Washington did like certain points, he positively declared such a venture as unconstitutional and refused to support it. Hamilton, knowing Washington's love and respect of Madison, went back through a bunch of Madison's writings about the Constitution and then edited and carefully arranged them in such a way as to convince Ol' George that it was Constitutional after all, "based on Madison's writings". It was only by manipulating Madison's words and Washington's love of Madison that he was able to bring the Ol' Man to his side on the issue. Madison was none too pleased with this little game of Hamilton's when he found out what happened later. Of course, years later he too would eventually support the idea of the bank, for other reasons, but he didn't at the time, as you know.

822 posted on 09/11/2003 9:28:01 PM PDT by thatdewd
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