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To: rustbucket
I don't know if it was since there is no power delegated to Congress which would indicate it was constitutional. However, I have not done much thinking about that one

It is certainly hard to conclude it was using the logic which opposes most of the expansion of federal power. There was no consitutional means of upholding it with federal power that I see.
409 posted on 07/27/2003 12:55:52 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
[rustbucket]: But certainly you agree that the Fugitive Slave Law was constitutional?

[takeit]: I don't know if it was since there is no power delegated to Congress which would indicate it was constitutional.

Lincoln considered it constitutional. I knew that from an 1860 Sam Houston letter I posted on another thread. However, I've just this afternoon discovered on the web two different versions of Lincoln's words proclaiming it constitutional.

The difference concerns the use of the n word. One version might be a PC version cleaned up by Lincoln supporters -- or perhaps the n word was stuck in the other version by hackers.

From Bartleby.com's Great Books On Line (n word version) here is a piece from the October 15th, 1858 Lincoln-Douglas debates (Alton, IL):

I suppose most of us (I know it of myself) believe that the people of the Southern States are entitled to a Congressional Fugitive Slave law,—that is a right fixed in the Constitution. But it cannot be made available to them without Congressional legislation. In the Judge’s language, it is a “barren right” which needs legislation before it can become efficient and valuable to the persons to whom it is guaranteed. And as the right is constitutional, I agree that the legislation shall be granted to it,—and that not that we like the institution of slavery. We profess to have no taste for running and catching ni****s,—at least, I profess no taste for that job at all. Why then do I yield support to a Fugitive Slave law? Because I do not understand that the Constitution, which guarantees that right, can be supported without it.

Essentially the same words but with "ni****s" replaced with "negroes" can be found at this Lincoln Library site: negro version

I suspect the latter is correct since Lincoln uses the word "negroes" throughout the speech except for the spot quoted above.

421 posted on 07/27/2003 2:51:01 PM PDT by rustbucket
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