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Scientists Prepare to Excavate Black Sea
AP Science ^ | 7-21-2003 | By RICHARD C. LEWIS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 07/22/2003 7:13:41 PM PDT by vannrox

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A good read.
1 posted on 07/22/2003 7:13:42 PM PDT by vannrox
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After some preliminary trips, the University of Pennsylvania professor and other scientists will go on a first-ever effort to excavate ancient ships and a possible human settlement left mummified in the Black Sea's oxygen-free waters.

Oxygen-free water? Hello? H2O?

2 posted on 07/22/2003 7:20:12 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Shut up," he explained.)
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To: vannrox
I was born in Odessa - by the Black Sea.
3 posted on 07/22/2003 7:29:29 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: southernnorthcarolina
That would be dissolved oxygen: the stuff that fish breathe, oxidizes metals ...
4 posted on 07/22/2003 7:36:36 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Oxygen-free water? Hello? H2O?

No smoking is allowed within 100 miles.

5 posted on 07/22/2003 7:37:18 PM PDT by Riley
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Oxygen-free water? Hello? H2O?

Dissolved oxygen or rather a LACK of dissolved oxygen.

IOW water that can support oxygen breathing life.

Anaerobic rather than aerobic.

Hello???

6 posted on 07/22/2003 7:38:18 PM PDT by The Shootist
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Anaerobic rather than aerobic.

Gotcha. But the article failed to make that distinction. "Oxygen-free water" is as much an oxymoron as is "copper-free bronze."

7 posted on 07/22/2003 7:49:22 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Shut up," he explained.)
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To: vannrox
I spent a lot of time swimming in the Black Sea in Sinop, during my Army years. (1975-1977) Obviously, I should have looked under the waves!
10 posted on 07/22/2003 8:20:35 PM PDT by Proangel
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Searchers have found four shipwreck sites in previous expeditions. One of them, dubbed "Shipwreck D," is so well-preserved in the Black Sea's anoxic waters that its hand-carved mast protruding above the seabed looks as good as new...PBS (sorry) had an hour long special on these expeditions a couple of weeks ago - fantastic pictures of this ship sitting on the sea floor with the mast still intact - intriguing stuff....
11 posted on 07/22/2003 8:48:36 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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Scientists Prepare to Excavate Black Sea

A bit ambitious. Have they seen the Balck Sea? It's big. And draining it would be the first problem.

12 posted on 07/22/2003 9:15:55 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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Fascinating. It there is a follow up report, please e-mail me privately. I'd love to hear about what they find.
13 posted on 07/22/2003 9:23:51 PM PDT by nmh
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Explorer Who Discovered 'Titanic' Sets Out To Prove Noah's Flood Formed Black Sea
14 posted on 07/22/2003 9:28:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: Oztrich Boy
This story has already been done on Discovery channel. They have already found several sites under the water. The problem I see is it doesn't PROVE anything. The Bible Noah flood was a GLOBAL flood. He believes it was a local flood. He has a theory and is skewing the evidence to suport what he believes. There are many flood evidences all over the world. Why would you limit it to the Black Sea in one time period? Science claims it took millions of years to form the Grand Canyon, but how long would it take if an earthen dam broke in Utah draining what was a great lake in a few days or weeks? He is using that theory. He says there was a large inland lake and a dam burst flooding the countryside.

Scientists are excavating in the Dead Sea and finding evidence of Sodom, just where the Bible said to look and dated to the same period, yet people still insist Sodom was a myth and the story an allegory. Course, if you ever admit that the Bible might be true, then you might have to repent, and we know, we can't expect that.

I used "you" in the general sense, not refering to you.

15 posted on 07/22/2003 9:35:51 PM PDT by chuckles
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Aquabots to Explore Ancient Wreck 

By Noah Shachtman

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,59651,00.html

02:00 AM Jul. 17, 2003 PT

Robert Ballard found the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean floor. He rediscovered the Bismarck, the infamous Nazi battleship. He mapped the Lusitania, the sinking of which became a World War I rallying cry. And he located John F. Kennedy's boat, PT-109.

Now, Ballard is traveling to the Black Sea to investigate what may be the best-preserved ship from the ancient world ever found. He's bringing a robotic archaeologist to scour the vessel. And anyone with an Internet connection will be able to watch the $7 million, 41-day mission live.

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The 1,500-year-old ship sits mast-up off the coast of Turkey, buried in Black Sea mud. What makes the craft -- unimaginatively called Wreck D -- remarkable is how intact it is. Usually, shipwrecks decompose rapidly after falling under the surface. But the main mast and stanchions of the Byzantine-era ship have remained whole, despite centuries on the sea floor.

"Most archaeological sites are sticks, stones and bones," Ballard said. "The organic content gets eaten up. And so much of our history has been created on something edible, like people or paper."

On most wrecks, said Ballard, important cultural information is missing. "Who these people traded with, what they were carrying, who they were -- all that's gone -- except on the Black Sea."

Scientists have long theorized that ships sinking to the bottom of certain seas could stay preserved for hundreds, even thousands, of years because almost no oxygen is present -- in science-speak, the site is "anoxic." The wood-boring mites that eat up most wrecks can't live in such environs.

But until Ballard's Wreck D appeared, scant evidence of such preservation existed, mostly because undersea archaeologists had concentrated their efforts in shallower coastal waters.

Right now, all but the upper extremities of the ship are immersed in mud. The task is to examine more of the vessel, and see if the ship's gear -- the rigging, the ropes, the sail, maybe even the even the wreck's cargo -- can be brought up, said mission specialist Dwight Coleman.

To clear away the muck and handle these ancients objects, Coleman and Ballard are counting on a remote-controlled robot called Hercules.

The drone is the first craft ever designed specifically for deep-water archaeology, Ballard said. It's controlled by a pilot in the Knorr, Ballard's ship on the surface. But by using special pressure-sensitive mandibles, Hercules' human operator aboard the Knorr can actually feel what the robot is grasping thousands of feet below.

Ballard has long relied on remote-piloted crafts to assist him in his expeditions. For years, most of his explorations have been conducted without a human ever traveling to the wreck. But the capabilities of the drones are limited.

"Before, all we could do is find, we couldn't excavate," Ballard said. "With a ship (like Wreck D), archaeologists would say, 'Don't you touch that, you clumsy oaf.'"

Hercules' mandibles provide the necessary sensitivity to work with such a delicate find. The robot also comes equipped with special sonar that will give scientists an ultrasound picture of what it's facing down below. That's crucial, because at great depths the sea is nearly impenetrable to the human eye.

Mission specialist LTG Jeremy Werich said data from Hercules will be piped up through a few hundred feet of fiber-optic cable to Argos, an underwater communications platform and light source dragged by the Knorr. The Argos will then transmit the information up to the surface ship.

From there, a specially designed motion-stabilized satellite dish -- capable of maintaining a constant link while its ship rolls as much as 15 degrees -- will upload the feeds back to the United States. Six streams of video, showing what's going on around the Knorr and below from the Hercules, will be sent to about a dozen key locations around the country.

The satellite streams will come at 10 to 13 megabits per second, about 20 times the rate of a cable modem. That's fast enough to allow mission specialist Dwight Coleman to return to the states for 10 days and supervise sections of the expedition from a new Innerspace center at the University of Rhode Island. It's the first time such remote supervision will be attempted.

Coleman won't be the only one able to check out what's going on. According to Richard Mavrogeanes, president of VBrick Systems, which is providing video-technology support for Ballard's crew, live video streams of the mission will be available to anyone at the 200 institutions equipped with Internet2 connectivity. People with a standard Internet connection will be able to see MPEG-4-encoded real-time footage at the mission's website, Expedition2003.

In addition to Wreck D, Ballard and his crew of 52 will examine three other Byzantine-era ships found at shallower depths near Turkey. They will look at two Phoenician shipwrecks from 750 B.C. -- the time of Homer -- in the Eastern Mediterranean. And they will look for evidence of a prehistoric civilization.

In 1999 and 2000, Ballard came upon what may be remnants of a culture nearly 7,500 years old at the bottom of the Black Sea. Evidence suggests these people survived a great flood -- maybe even the Biblical deluge of Noah, some scholars believe. The first expedition found what might be stones that served as foundations for their ancient buildings.

This time around, Ballard's team will use their robotic archaeologist to bring the stones up from the depths of the Black Sea.

End of story

Dwight Coleman and Robert Ballard are counting on a remote-controlled robot called Hercules. The first craft designed specifically for deep-water archaeology, it's controlled by a pilot in Ballard's ship on the surface. By using special pressure-sensitive mandibles, Hercules' human operator can actually feel what the robot is grasping thousands of feet below.
Photo: Institute for Exploration

The top of a 35-foot-tall mast comes into view under the bright lights of the Argos, an underwater communications platform. The mast stands upright on a wooden ship found intact 1,000 feet below the surface of the Black Sea, 1,500 years after the ship was built. Photo: National Geographic Society/Institute for Exploration


16 posted on 07/22/2003 11:05:10 PM PDT by csvset
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To: chuckles
"Scientists are excavating in the Dead Sea and finding evidence of Sodom, just where the Bible said to look and dated to the same period, yet people still insist Sodom was a myth and the story an allegory. "

I expect this event Disaster That Struck The Ancients (see post #16), was the Sodom and Gomorra story and probably provided the imagery for Revelations.

17 posted on 07/23/2003 7:31:13 AM PDT by blam
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Gotcha. But the article failed to make that distinction. "Oxygen-free water" is as much an oxymoron as is "copper-free bronze."

LOL!

Isn't it one of the oddities of chemistry though, that Hydrogen (extremely flammable) and Oxygen (supports combustion) combine to produce a substance that puts out fires?

18 posted on 07/23/2003 11:45:40 PM PDT by Riley
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To: Intolerant in NJ
Crap. I would have loved to have seen that.

I used to watch Nova, but that was when the show actually was interesting, which ended about 5 years ago.
19 posted on 07/23/2003 11:49:48 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Riley
God does like irony, doesn't He? :)
20 posted on 07/23/2003 11:52:30 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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