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United States hemorrhaging core tech jobs: Trend could imperil the American programmer
San Mateo County Times ^ | Sunday, July 20, 2003 | Rachel Konrad

Posted on 07/20/2003 2:08:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Sunday, July 20, 2003 - SAN JOSE -- Peter Kerrigan encouraged friends to move to Silicon Valley throughout the 1980s and'90s, wooing them with tales of lucrative jobs in a burgeoning industry.

But he lost his network engineering job at a major telecommunications company in August 2001 and remains unemployed. Now 43, the veteran programmer is urging his 18-year-old nephew to stay in suburban Chicago and is discouraging him from pursuing degrees in computer science or engineering.

"I told him, 'Unless you're planning to do this as a path to technical sales, don't do it,' said Kerrigan, who lives in Oakland.

He won't be able to have a career designing and building stuff because all those jobs have moved to India.

Like many unemployed programmers, Kerrigan blames the sour labor market on offshore outsourcing -- the migration of tech jobs to relatively low-paid contractors or locally hired employees in India, China, Russia and other developing countries.

The hemorrhaging of tens of thousands of technology jobs in recent years to cheaper workers abroad is already a fact of life -- as inevitable, U.S. executives say, as the 1980s migration of Rust Belt manufacturing jobs to Southeast Asia and Latin America.

But a new wave of technology outsourcing -- involving tasks that involve greater skills -- could be cutting to the industry's bone, threatening to prolong the three-year U.S. economic downturn.

Some who oppose the trend, which such industry stalwarts as Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Dell and Microsoft are embracing, believe it could even usher in the end of American domination in technology.

"We're giving countries like China and India the support they need to build up their technology industries, and the result could disadvantage us in the long run," said Phil Friedman, an electrical engineer and chief executive of New York-based Computer Generated Solutions, a 1,200-employee software company that targets the apparel industry.

"We outsourced electronics manufacturing. We're closing steel mills. Every week, 400,000 people file for new unemployment claims," said Friedman, a 54-year-old Ukrainian native who immigrated in 1976. "At the same time, we're shipping tech jobs offshore -- it's a shortsighted approach and cheats the American work force."

Cost-conscious executives have been shifting lower-level tech jobs in data entry and systems support abroad to cheaper labor markets for more than a decade. But now they are exporting highly paid, highly skilled positions in software development -- jobs that have been considered intrinsic to Silicon Valley and tech hubs such as Seattle; Boston; and Austin, Texas.

Critics say it's the equivalent of exporting not just the automobile industry's assembly line jobs -- but the core engineering and car design jobs, too.

Roughly 27,000 technology jobs moved overseas in 2000, according to a November study by Forrester Research. It predicts that number will mushroom to 472,000 by 2015 if companies continue to farm out computer work at today's frenzied pace.

According to Forrester, companies in the United States and Europe will spend 28 percent of their information technology budgets on overseas work in the next two years.

Boeing, Dell and Motorola have opened software development centers in Russia. Intel employs 400 full-time Russian software research engineers and nearly 200 others in marketing and sales, wireless Internet access and modem projects.

Santa Clara-based Intel entered the Russian market with a small contract project three years ago. But within months, the world's largest chip maker hired all the programmers who write compiler software to optimize the microprocessors' performance, and opened the Russia Software Development Center in Nizhny Novgorod.

"We intend to invest in the fastest-growing markets, and those are India, Russia and China -- that's the long-term plan," Intel spokesman Chuck Mulloy said.

Microsoft is adding software development jobs at its India Development Center in Hyderabad, opened in 1999 to create versions of Windows for giant corporate computers.

Bill Gates said late last year that the expansion was part of an estimated $400 million in corporate investments in the subcontinent.

On its corporate Web site, Microsoft lists dozens of Hyderabad openings, many requiring five years of experience, fluency in multiple computer languages, and college degrees in computer science -- far from the hourly telemarketer jobs that financial services and insurance companies exported to the Philippines and elsewhere in the early'90s.

Some say sending those jobs abroad may cause American tech workers' wages to stagnate.

According to the nonpartisan Economic Policy Institute, non-inflation-adjusted wages for tech workers grew 1.7 percent between the fourth quarter of 2001 and the fourth quarter of 2002 -- not enough to keep up with the period's inflation rate of 2.2 percent.

The average computer programmer in India costs $20 per hour in wages and benefits, compared to $65 per hour for an American with a comparable degree and experience, according to consulting firm Cap Gemini Ernst & Young.

But executives say outsourcing offers advantages beyond wage differences.

Jean-Marc Hauducoeur, a senior vice president at Cincinnati-based human resources consulting firm Convergys, said his 47,000-employee company will employ 6,000 customer service representatives and network engineers in India by year's end.

Convergys' average technical employee in India stays on the job for nearly three years -- more than double the U.S. average, saving tens of thousands of dollars in recruitment and training per employee per year, he said.

People in India are very ambitious and very well-educated, but they're also ready to invest in a company, and they have less of a tendency to move out of the company, Hauducoeur said.

Many U.S. corporate executives say they simply can't afford to overlook foreign computer workers -- especially in India, which produces roughly 350,000 college engineering graduates annually.

Bob Pryor, who heads the outsourcing practice of Cap Gemini Ernst & Young, said it's naive to think outsourcing software jobs could ruin America's tech dominance.

"The reality is that we live in a global economy and we compete against global players. We need to look at where we have strategic advantage -- whether it's resources or skills," Pryor said. "It frees up people and dollars to do much more value-added strategic things for clients."

Marcus Courtney, a former contract worker for Microsoft and Adobe Systems and president of the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers, said many tech workers understand and even endorse free trade and globalization.

"They even enjoy living on the cutting edge -- taking courses in advanced computer languages, getting experience in a variety of business disciplines, and endorsing a philosophy of continuous improvement," he said.

But many find it tough to reconcile their macro-economic outlook with their own unemployment.

"We need to move beyond the idea that individuals can simply cope and retrain," said Courtney, whose 275-member union is asking Congress to study and possibly regulate offshore outsourcing. "Workers need a voice over their economic future and a voice against the executives making these unilateral economic decisions."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; US: California
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To: iconoclast
Where does free trade exist?

In the market of course. Should that scenario change IYO?

61 posted on 07/20/2003 4:22:29 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: collegegop
How many niches are there?

How many do YOU see?

63 posted on 07/20/2003 4:25:25 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: oceanview
Sadly, you are right. The people lucky enough to still have good jobs will be taxed to death to support the rest.
64 posted on 07/20/2003 4:26:43 PM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: collegegop
I see government.

That equals 1. Either you have a very dismal outlook in life or you are a avid proponent of big government.

66 posted on 07/20/2003 4:33:05 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Marine Inspector
Maybe someone can help me understand this.

My experience with foreign programmers has been uniformly poor. They tend to not understand the business logic and it usually would have been easier to have had an American do the work. Also there has been a high degree of secrecy, and I have never been sure my clients have gotten the correct source code. Also, I was always worried about back doors being left in the software that would come back to bite us in the long run.

67 posted on 07/20/2003 4:33:29 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: EGPWS
Where does free trade exist? In the market of course.

The grocery? The meat market? The stock market? What is this market you refer to?

Are you for real, or just yanking everyone's chain?

68 posted on 07/20/2003 4:36:30 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
Are you for real, or just yanking everyone's chain?

Apparently yours. Why is that?

69 posted on 07/20/2003 4:38:05 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: iconoclast
Hillary is odious but irrelevant to this topic.

I was using "Hillary" as a stand-in for "leftist Democrat." Maybe we'll get a different leftist Democrat, but she's as likely as any other one.

What's happening here is red meat to leftists. This is the big, rich corporations screwing the little guy. You or I may not believe that, but it is a message that sells, brother. Let's make no mistake about that. We have people right here on FR peddling that message. How do you think it's going to play in Peoria?

Is it cheap demagoguery and bad economics? So what. When did that ever stop Democrats when they smelled power?

Will millions vote for a totally bogus solution to their own year-long unemployment? You betcha. What are we going to do, preach Wealth of Nations on Talk Radio while the rest of the media goes into hurricane overdrive to put a leftist Democrat into the White House?

A man's got to know his limitations. One of mine is that I'm not even going to try to sell David Ricardo and Adam Smith to people who have been out of work for ten months, see the wolf coming down the block, and read every week of another 5,000 jobs in their field going to India or China. Politically, this is explosive.

Blaming the furriners for a country's woes has put more demagogue crackpots into power than almost any other single idea in history. Events are creating a nexus for one of those figures to appear. Hillary is not irrelevant. Hillary is exactly the sort of figure who would jump on the stage to lead the torches-and-pitchforks parade.

70 posted on 07/20/2003 4:41:17 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Nick Danger
Guess again about Hillary:

Media release
Asia’s largest technology firm opens office
in Buffalo
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Bridges SUNY-Buffalo and TCS;
Government And Business Leaders Gather at Dedication Ceremony
March 10, 2003

Buffalo, NY: Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), Asia’s largest information technology firm and America’s second fastest-growing IT consultancy, today announced that it has opened its newest North American office in Buffalo, New York. The deal was the brainchild of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), who is dedicated to bringing new businesses to the state of New York, and was facilitated by the Confederation of Indian Industry, India’s premier business association.

"When I learned of Tata Consultancy Services’ intentions to expand its company, I thought immediately of Buffalo and dedicated myself to showing the company all that the region had to offer, " Senator Clinton said. "TCS could have located anywhere in the country. I am proud but not surprised that they chose Buffalo."

TCS currently operates two other offices in the state of New York – both in New York City – serving technology needs for several Wall Street companies.

The new Buffalo office (1812 Liberty Building, 420 Main Street, Buffalo, NY) signifies the company’s dedicated focus on the technology needs of the city and state government. The new office will provide existing and potential customers with TCS’ high-quality technology consulting services as well as engage in innovative research and development.

"Buffalo’s leading sectors – from financial services and banking to city and state government – are revolutionizing the way they conduct business by embracing new technologies," said Arup Gupta, President of TCS North America. "From our new office in Buffalo, TCS will provide the best technology and strategy consulting services to help New York’s industries and government streamline their business operations and compete successfully in the digital economy."

"This is great news for the City of Buffalo and the region at-large. I want to welcome Tata Consultancy Services to the City of Buffalo and thank them for the investment in our city and for the potential that this company brings from an international perspective. Senator Hillary Clinton should be commended for her efforts in encouraging business development in New York State and specifically in the upstate area. The collaboration of a worldwide IT consulting enterprise like TCS with the University at Buffalo will only serve to enhance training and job creation in this region," said Buffalo Mayor Anthony M. Masiello.

In addition to opening its Buffalo office, TCS also signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the University at Buffalo (UB) in a ceremony today. The MOU is part of TCS’ unwavering commitment to education, research and development. The partnership with UB will eventually lead to opportunities for training, recruitment and job creation in Buffalo.

TCS has been expanding its North American operations, and currently has more than 50 offices in the U.S. and Canada. TCS is a software technology consultancy company that provides information technology and management consulting services to organizations in over 50 countries across the globe.

With worldwide offices and resources, TCS provides round-the-clock development cycles by working on client projects onsite, offsite, nearshore, and offshore (i.e., overseas). This "around-the-clock" project work cuts development time and offers extremely competitive rates, and the industry’s highest standards for quality. The Carnegie Mellon University’s Software Engineering Institute has ranked 15 TCS development facilities at the highest level of quality (CMM Level 5) – more than any other company in the world. TCS’ R & D Centers are considered to be among the most advanced software tools foundries. Its clients include some of America’s largest corporations, including six of the U.S. Fortune 10.

About TCS
Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), India and Asia’s largest IT software and services company, provides information technology and management consulting services to organizations in 55 countries across the globe. With more than 20,000 consultants and revenues of $880 million, TCS has more than 100 branches worldwide. In North America, TCS has more than 50 branches and is headquartered in New York City. Its clients include companies and organizations such as American Express, AIG, Bank of America, Best Buy, Boeing, the Canadian Depository for Securities, Charleston County (South Carolina), ChevronTexaco, Citibank, Cummins Company, Dell Computer Corporation, U.S. Department of Defense, The Gap, General Electric, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, ING America, Kellogg’s, Lucent Technologies, McGraw-Hill, Microsoft, Nacco, NASDAQ, Nike, The State of Pennsylvania, The State of New Mexico, Pratt & Whitney, Prudential Financial, Rockwell, Qwest, SBC Communications Inc., the Target Corporation, USAA, Verizon, Xerox and Zimmer. TCS currently supports the technology needs of six of the top 10 U.S. Fortune 500 companies. Visit us at www.tcs.com
71 posted on 07/20/2003 4:47:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Walkin Man
actually, its the corporate tax structure that needs to change in this manner, and the Rs should be out front on it. A sliding corporate tax scale that factors US profits versus US employment. Earn $100 profit in the US with no US employees, tax rate is 90%. Earn $100 profit in the US with a 100% US based work force, no tax (even a credit).
72 posted on 07/20/2003 5:03:35 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: EGPWS
FAIR trade would be a good start.

Establish tariffs which reflect the tax/regulatory burden in the USA, offsetting advantages in those areas with trading partners.

At this time, the tax/reg burden in the USA costs us about 193 working days/year/employee, with taxes (Fed/State/Local/Sales/etc.) being about 100 of those.

In the case of England, there may be no tariff at all--as in the case of Germany. Of course, the Chinese tariff would be rather stiff, perhaps same for India (?)...
73 posted on 07/20/2003 5:11:24 PM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: FreedomSurge
Oh, what's a little security problem when you can get the code at 80% off??

This may be the single most significant long-term advantage to US-written code. It's not likely to have back doors. All it will take is one MAJOR flaw to be exposed...
74 posted on 07/20/2003 5:13:22 PM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: Nick Danger
One need not know too much about history to recall how Hitler achieved the near-elimination of the Jews--Germany was in depression and they were the nominees; he severely restricted their activity.

During the war, he upped the ante to the gas chambers.
75 posted on 07/20/2003 5:16:15 PM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: dfwgator
Guess again about Hillary:

That's her playing Senator. "I brought jobs to the state."

She'll stab those same people in the back in five seconds flat if she ever needs to. Back-stabbing is a Clinton speciality.

I think it is a huge political mistake to think that some "globalist" propensity in the Democratic Party will keep them from trying to make hay with this issue. The one thing we know about leftists is that they never let long-term goals get in the way of grabbing power right now.

Economic discontent is a field-proven election winner. It worked for Bill Clinton, it could work for Hillary Clinton.

76 posted on 07/20/2003 5:19:06 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: dfwgator
What the article does NOT say is how many US citizens will be employed at the TCS office in Buffalo--aside from a few sales-types and administratives.

100's of programmer/analyst jobs? Silence.

100's of project management slots? Silence.

Nicely-worded article.
77 posted on 07/20/2003 5:19:09 PM PDT by ninenot (Torquemada: Due for Revival Soon!!!)
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To: FreedomSurge
You have a definite point about those "back doors." If our software is being coded overseas, who's to say what's being planted in the code? And what are the security implications of this?

78 posted on 07/20/2003 5:26:59 PM PDT by Baklava
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To: nickcarraway
I'm a network engineer working for DoD with a clearance. No way my job will be outsourced to some 3rd world country. *whew* Or can it...?! Actually, around DC here, if you're in IT and maintain your clearance, you should be in good shape.
79 posted on 07/20/2003 5:36:37 PM PDT by KillTime
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To: ninenot
Establish tariffs which reflect the tax/regulatory burden in the USA,

Better yet, establish tax/regulatory burden to reflect "free trade".

80 posted on 07/20/2003 5:47:11 PM PDT by EGPWS
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