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To: lentulusgracchus
It was Cheney who pursued the uranium-sale angle and bought the story nevertheless when his investigator had warned him off and the people at CIA and State didn't want to sign off on it.
Mind if I ask you to pull the string on this one a little bit? Trace back where this comes from- that Cheney pursued it and that his investigator warned him off.

Was the source of this information Scheer? Was it Wilson? Was it someone directly related to not just liberal but far-left political movements?

285 posted on 07/12/2003 3:09:57 PM PDT by William McKinley (From you, I get opinions. From you, I get the story.)
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To: William McKinley
From Joseph C. Wilson 4th's editorial in the New York Times

The next morning, I met with Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick at the embassy. For reasons that are understandable, the embassy staff has always kept a close eye on Niger's uranium business. I was not surprised, then, when the ambassador told me that she knew about the allegations of uranium sales to Iraq — and that she felt she had already debunked them in her reports to Washington. Nevertheless, she and I agreed that my time would be best spent interviewing people who had been in government when the deal supposedly took place, which was before her arrival.

I spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country's uranium business. It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place.

So, we are to take the word of this man who, after drinking mint tea with Barbro and others decided that there was just no proof of a buy of uranium by Iraq. He didn't say that the Iraqis were not trying to buy the uranium.

That is a different story. I also note that Barbro Owens Kirkpatrick was adamant that she had already done an investigation of her own. This woman was appointed by Clinton as Ambassador to Niger in 1999 and was born in Finland. I am wondering what she is up to now as she is no longer the Ambassador to Niger.

294 posted on 07/12/2003 3:18:32 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf
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To: William McKinley
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16283


Not Business as Usual: Cheney and the CIA

By Ray McGovern, AlterNet
June 30, 2003

As though this were normal! I mean the repeated visits Vice President Dick Cheney made to the CIA before the war in Iraq. The visits were, in fact, unprecedented. During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, no vice president ever came to us for a working visit.


During the '80s, it was my privilege to brief Vice President George H.W. Bush and other very senior policy makers every other morning. I went either to the vice president's office or (on weekends) to his home. I am sure it never occurred to him to come to CIA headquarters.


The morning briefings gave us an excellent window on what was uppermost in the minds of those senior officials and helped us refine our tasks of collection and analysis. Thus, there was never any need for policy makers to visit us. And the very thought of a vice president dropping by to help us with our analysis is extraordinary. We preferred to do that work without the pressure that inevitably comes from policy makers at the table.


Cheney got into the operational side of intelligence as well. Reports in late 2001 that Iraq had tried to acquire uranium from Niger stirred such intense interest that his office let it be known he wanted them checked out. So, with the CIA as facilitator, a retired U.S. ambassador was dispatched to Niger in February 2002 to investigate. He found nothing to substantiate the report and lots to call it into question. There the matter rested – until last summer, after the Bush administration made the decision for war in Iraq.


Cheney, in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002, claimed that Saddam Hussein had "resumed his effort to acquire nuclear weapons."


At the time, CIA analysts were involved in a knockdown, drag-out argument with the Pentagon on this very point. Most of the nuclear engineers at the CIA, and virtually all scientists at U.S. government laboratories and the International Atomic Energy Agency, found no reliable evidence that Iraq had restarted its nuclear weapons program.


But the vice president had spoken. Sad to say, those in charge of the draft National Intelligence Estimate took their cue and stated, falsely, that "most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."


Smoke was blown about aluminum tubes sought by Iraq that, it turns out, were for conventional weapons programs. The rest amounted to circumstantial things like Hussein's frequent meetings with nuclear scientists and Iraq's foot-dragging in providing information to U.N. inspectors.


Not much heed was paid to the fact that Hussein's son-in-law, who supervised Iraq's nuclear program before he defected in 1995, had told interrogators that Iraq's nuclear facilities – except for the blueprints – had been destroyed in 1991 at his order. (Documents given to the United States this week confirm that. The Iraqi scientists who provided them added that, even though the blueprints would have given Iraq a head start, no order was given to restart the program; and even had such an order been given, Iraq would still have been years away from producing a nuclear weapon.)


In sum, the evidence presented in last September's intelligence estimate fell far short of what was required to support Cheney's claim that Iraq was on the road to a nuclear weapon. Something scarier had to be produced, and quickly, if Congress was to be persuaded to authorize war. And so the decision was made to dust off the uranium-from-Niger canard.


The White House calculated – correctly – that before anyone would make an issue of the fact that this key piece of "intelligence" was based on a forgery, Congress would vote yes. The war could then be waged and won. In recent weeks, administration officials have begun spreading the word that Cheney was never told the Iraq-Niger story was based on a forgery. I asked a senior official who recently served at the National Security Council if he thought that was possible. He pointed out that rigorous NSC procedures call for a very specific response to all vice-presidential questions and added that "the fact that Cheney's office had originally asked that the Iraq-Niger report be checked out makes it inconceivable that his office would not have been informed of the results."


Did the president himself know that the information used to secure congressional approval for war was based on a forgery? We don't know. But which would be worse – that he knew or that he didn't?


Ray McGovern, a CIA analyst from 1964 to 1990, regularly reported to the vice president of the United States and senior policymakers on the President's Daily Brief from 1981 to 1985. He now is co-director of the Servant Leadership School, an inner-city outreach ministry in Washington.

295 posted on 07/12/2003 3:18:51 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: William McKinley
Was the source of this information Scheer? Was it Wilson? Was it someone directly related to not just liberal but far-left political movements?

I saw some articles in the local paper, a television interview of Wilson I think it was, and heard a late-night radio interview a day or two before by Alan Colmes.

See my exchange with cyncooper and MEG33 above.

807 posted on 07/13/2003 6:23:26 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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