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The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread
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Posted on 07/12/2003 12:52:33 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford

George Tenet's admission last night that it was his mistake that caused President Bush to use faulty intelligence in his State of The Union address is interesting at the same time as it is convienent. In the statement itself, which is lengthy and filled with reasons as to the intelligence failure, Tenet wholeheartedly takes responsility for his agency.

"Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the President's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my Agency. And third, the President had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President. "

On the face of it, this admission seems like the perfect solution to the growing problems for both the Bush and Blair administration. It's all CIA's fault, they can claim. But is that really viable?

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

For discussion purposes - has Bush been conned by Tenet? And if he has, isn't that rather serious?

And if he wasn't conned by Tenet, what is the alternative?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
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To: Cathryn Crawford
No that's what you've done.... Remember

....If they are inaccurate now, then of course they were inaccurate when spoken.........
341 posted on 07/12/2003 3:48:51 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: huck von finn
Wait a minute...State obviously did know about it. Tenet refers to this in his statement when he says Powell refused to use the Niger uranium bit in his speech before the U.N.!

I'm sorry for being unclear.

I was saying Cathryn's statement that we had not heard from the NSC much was false when Condi Rice has commented all week about it, and granted a 50 minute interview with multiple reporters yesterday morning. I should have cut off the part I was responding to as follows(The following is what Cathryn Crawford stated):

Speaking of the NSC...we haven't heard too much about this from them

I then pointed out that was false.

342 posted on 07/12/2003 3:55:06 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Thank you for the correction.
343 posted on 07/12/2003 3:55:38 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: William McKinley; lelio; Wild Irish Rogue
I will be following along in parallel the attempt to ascertain the particulars which connect George Tenet and Joseph C. Wilson.

I don't much care for Tenet's passive voice, "was sent to the region by CIA"--come on, Tenet, you are CIA.

Who hired Craig Livingstone?

No, I mean, who sent Joseph C. Wilson?

The brouhaha smacks of a partisan ambush engineered by hacks from top to bottom.

Terry McCauliffe, George Tenet, Joseph C. Wilson--this isn't intelligence--this is Embarrass the CINC.

Yet Bill Gertz on Fox last night says he is not optimistic that any heads will roll on this matter.

344 posted on 07/12/2003 3:56:45 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
So, did you get a chance to read Jack Straw's letter that I linked at #30? What do you think? Do you see that the president didn't give flawed or incorrect information in his speech?

What do you think of Tony Blair coming to the U.S. next week and addressing a joint session of Congress? Do you think he might address his confidence in his country's intelligence?
345 posted on 07/12/2003 4:02:03 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Dan from Michigan
Just got back. Haven't read the posts yet.

Hope you get a chance to read the posts.

346 posted on 07/12/2003 4:06:32 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: PhiKapMom
You are right! We don't know what we are talking about because we are women and support the President!

Cathryn writes this barbara striesand all the time. She thinks she has a grasp of what's 'really going on'. When in reality she embarrasses herself time after time with incorrect facts usually gleaned from parts of the media that dislike President Bush.

Young skull full of mush, let's hope over the years things firm up in there.

The men around here that take women like you and me to task for supporting our president are angry we don't fall for the kook hype about GWB. Women who do are held up as paragons of intellect.

347 posted on 07/12/2003 4:07:09 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Beat me, whip me, make me vote for Ron Paul or Harry Browne or Alan Keyes or the nut du jour!)
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To: cyncooper
Yeah, I read em.
348 posted on 07/12/2003 4:07:21 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Crashed and Burned, eh gungrabbers?")
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To: cyncooper
Understood.
349 posted on 07/12/2003 4:07:36 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Cathryn, I'm not trying to pick on you or go off topic .. but who said this war was over? and do you really think Iraq can be cleaned up in 2 months?


The Uneasy War
Jun 27, 2003
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_5923.shtml

Liberation will not be achieved - the war will not be over - until all the opposition is rooted out and the acts of violence and vandalism against both civilians and troops is stopped. Whether you agreed with this war or not, you cannot logically say that it’s finished. It is a case of the wrong words being used by the government – this is not an uneasy peace, this is an uneasy war.
350 posted on 07/12/2003 4:08:10 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: William McKinley; Dog; lelio; Wild Irish Rogue
Just jumping in with an interim hypothesis.

I posit CIA is salted with Clinton moles bent on at the least embarrassing Bush and at the worst facilitating [another] security breakdown.

Woolsey was adamant Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent and was booted to make way for that POS Deutch--whom John Millis called "the worst DCI for counterintelligence". Millis, the career CIA case officer and Goss' COS sucked a shotgun in a bathtub of the Breezeway Motel in Alexandria, Virginia.

A similar shoot-the-messenger cover-up was instigated at FBI with SA James M. Fox.

[see also Coleen Rowley]

I suggest the outing of Aldrich Ames and Richard Hanssen was to cover for the remaining moles.

The sending of Joseph C. Wilson was no small matter. His negative finding has the credibility of a Jimmy Carter on Cuba, Madeleine Albright on North Korea, and Scott Ritter/Hans Blix on Iraq.

It was done to put to bed a damaging trail of evidence.

And to let Democrats in dirty diapers play Yellowcake Yellowcake.

351 posted on 07/12/2003 4:08:47 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Lauratealeaf
He didn't say that the Iraqis were not trying to buy the uranium.

That is the key point. Bush said in his speech that the British had evidence that Iraq had tried to buy, not that they bought. In an earlier post Wilson was quoted as saying that one former official he talked to said he didn't doubt that Iraq was trying, there were rumors, but that he doubted they could ever be successful.

Just the fact that they were trying to buy uranium is enough to implicate them as seekers of nuclear weapons, else no need for uranium. Plus the British still insist they are correct and have other collaborating evidence.

352 posted on 07/12/2003 4:09:48 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: huck von finn
The media are in fact gearing up for this. CNN has been touting a full-blown production that it will air tomorrow.

Oh, brother. I believe it. What a mishmash of misstatements, half-truths, and lies it will have to be to make a case againt President Bush, but I'm sure they'll give it their all.

They're probably already working out "Scandal" and (in their fondest dreams) "Impeachment of a President" graphics and music.

353 posted on 07/12/2003 4:12:06 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
How come no one ever pings me to these things???
354 posted on 07/12/2003 4:13:16 PM PDT by Neets (Sometimes you feel like a nut; sometimes you are a nut.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
I find it rather amusing that some of the same people who whined over President George H. W. Bush's "failure" to remove Saddam Hussein during his presidency are the same ones who are finding fault with the man's son for finishing the job.

Proof positive that you just can't win with some folks.
355 posted on 07/12/2003 4:15:16 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Cathryn Crawford
smell blood

You may not like me, but please don't plagarize me.

Why would you say that to anybody about those particular words?

I used that phrase just yesterday.

How in the world can you claim ownership of the phrase "smell blood"?

356 posted on 07/12/2003 4:15:47 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Neets
I'd be honored to ping you. : )

In fact, here:

PING!
357 posted on 07/12/2003 4:16:08 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Neets; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
PING........ BUT GOOD.
358 posted on 07/12/2003 4:17:04 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Are you part of that liberal media that smells blood? I do believe you are. I can spot a liberal anywhere!
359 posted on 07/12/2003 4:17:49 PM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; deport
Thanks!!!

HA!
360 posted on 07/12/2003 4:18:13 PM PDT by Neets (Sometimes you feel like a nut; sometimes you are)
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