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Conservatives' core duty on WMD
CS Monitor ^ | July 08, 2003 edition | Doug Bandow

Posted on 07/10/2003 6:17:24 AM PDT by Int

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To: dljordan
I am not suggesting that Bush lied; he was mislead by a group of advisors who had their own agenda. I mentioned in a later post (9?) that I would settle for Rummy, the Defense Policy Board, and Powell all resigning, so my logic is to dismiss those who were duped.

There is no truth inside the Beltway, but I suspect, you were not looking for it there so nothing has been lost.
101 posted on 07/10/2003 9:01:23 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: Int
Where are Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction?

This is really an interesting question. Why would he have given up his reign for nothing? If wmd are not in Iraq, how long have they not been there and why would saddam give up his reign when he could still be there with all those un flunkies running all over the place and not finding anything?

Not in iraq is more worrisome than not at all.

102 posted on 07/10/2003 9:06:07 AM PDT by RWG
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Your view of history is skewed.

and we became the richest, most powerful nation due to it

To the extent that it happened, which is far, far less than you think, we became great in spite of it, not because of it.

For those that tried to dump their cheap labor products on us they were slapped with tariffs, that policy was in the Republican platform into the seventies. (when the mistake seems to have been temporarily corrected)

It's called progress. Live and learn from your mistakes.

BTW Mr. Protectionist (corporate welfare advocate), I like less expensive products, so do others or there would be no market for them. I need no protection from you, nor do I desire an artifically high paying job making poor quality products in low skilled industries in order to prop up some Democrats in their phony jobs.

The American economy is still the stongest in the world despite all the gloom and doom scenerios put forth by protectionists for decades. It is because of the RELATIVELY low protectionists policies of government thugs and their enablers.

I love showing Republicans up as anti freedomists and having them defend tyranny. It's so much fun!

103 posted on 07/10/2003 9:11:10 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: RWG
Where are Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction?

HOW DARE YOU ASK THAT QUESTION? YOU ANTI AMERICAN BUSH HATER!!!!

< /sarcasm>

104 posted on 07/10/2003 9:13:01 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: jla
And please explain to me, RJ, why Bush has to explain the process used to reach a decision? This is incredible, and the height of arrogance, for a reporter, especially one of our guys, to insist on. Bandow and the rest of the media need to just worry about the result(s), not how they were arrived at.

Well, the result is that despite the claim that Iraq had WMD and was an immediate and direct threat to us, the evidence to prove that has not yet been seen. There may have been a problem with the decision making process therefore....so let's find out and hear about it.

Blind faith may be okay in religion, but not in politics or government.

105 posted on 07/10/2003 9:13:07 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("His lower lip? What was you aiming at?".......Emmitt Quincy)
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To: huck von finn
Most of the people in this thread avoid the points raised by the article, it seems to me.

Welcome to Bushbotland.

106 posted on 07/10/2003 9:14:32 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("His lower lip? What was you aiming at?".......Emmitt Quincy)
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To: RJCogburn
Welcome to Bushbotland.

AMEN

107 posted on 07/10/2003 9:20:38 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
I love showing Republicans up as anti freedomists and having them defend tyranny. It's so much fun!

What a joke. Exactly what have you shown us, that those Nike sneakers came down a whole bunch when they moved to Vietnam to pay workers .20 an hour? T-shirts at my local Wal-Mart made in China still cost $15.00 to 20.00, same price when they were made in the states, employing Americans.

The idea you're now getting choice is what's delusional. The only choice you're getting is what workers assembled the products, the owners of the companies are the same. Who incidentally are getting richer thanks to government sponsored "free trade" deals. What products are the Chinese or Mexicans buying from us? It's corporate welfare no matter how you want to spin it.

108 posted on 07/10/2003 9:22:29 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: leftiesareloonie
Sounds like the ends justifies the means.... Is that what you are saying?

No. I'm saying an Executive admin needn't have their every move & action reported to, nor dissected by, the media-types.
A decision making process is just that, a method to arrive at a decision. How anyone in the press thinks this is their business to know is incredulous. Especially since the source(s) the Bush admin used possibly can't be publicized, for security, safety, or whatever reason.

And we're getting away from the main point, which is: Bandow, and everyone else, (even Clinton & the U.N.), knows the Hussein regime had WMD's in the 90's.
Maybe Bandow believes Saddam had an epiphany and destroyed them.

109 posted on 07/10/2003 9:25:58 AM PDT by jla
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To: RJCogburn
so let's find out and hear about it

I would think this has the very real potential to compromise a lot of sources and intelligence gathering means, human and otherwise.

110 posted on 07/10/2003 9:28:15 AM PDT by jla
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To: JohnGalt
The nationalist believes their country is always right.

That's dangerous. And there's another name for it, but...I won't go there.

111 posted on 07/10/2003 9:37:36 AM PDT by huck von finn
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To: dljordan
I little confused by the logic here. Clinton lied and was bad. Bush lies and is good. A lie is a lie and is a betrayal of the trust we placed in him. Are we to overlook this because he's a Republican?

No. It should be looked into regardless of any label.

112 posted on 07/10/2003 9:43:30 AM PDT by huck von finn
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Exactly what have you shown us, that those Nike sneakers came down a whole bunch when they moved to Vietnam to pay workers .20 an hour?

Who cares? I don't buy that crap anyway. If people value their money more than the sneakers they won't buy em. That's supply and demand. And it's smarter than you.

T-shirts at my local Wal-Mart made in China still cost $15.00 to 20.00, same price when they were made in the states, employing Americans.

Maybe you better buy some stock in such smart comapnies and share in the profits.

Who incidentally are getting richer thanks to government sponsored "free trade" deals.

Ah,, Republicans playing the liberal politics of envy game. I love it. Oh no!!! The rich got richer!!! Someone made money!!! Oh No!!!!

What products are the Chinese or Mexicans buying from us?

US? Like me and you? Hint, WE aren't in it together. I don't try to sell anything to Mexicans or Chinese. So it's none of my business.

It's corporate welfare no matter how you want to spin it.

YEP, your tarriffs are corporate welfare.

113 posted on 07/10/2003 9:47:04 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: jla
this has the very real potential to compromise a lot of sources and intelligence gathering means, human and otherwise.

Uh,oh...that sounds like the 'he has more information than us, we'll have to take his word' song and dance of the LBJ days.

Seems like a review of if and where we went wrong is something that can be done without compromise to at least some extent. What is the alternative...? Just blind faith is not a good idea in a free society.

114 posted on 07/10/2003 9:47:22 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("His lower lip? What was you aiming at?".......Emmitt Quincy)
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To: RJCogburn
...that sounds like the 'he has more information than us...

Well he is the President, RJ.
Let me ask you, was RR expected to reveal his every intention, aim, & strategy when he was having talks with Gorbachev?

115 posted on 07/10/2003 9:51:22 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla
Let me ask you, was RR expected to reveal his every intention, aim, & strategy when he was having talks with Gorbachev?

Hmmmm....I'd say you are begging the question here.

We are not discussing diplomatic talks. The issue is armed conflict in which Americans died. We were told certain things. The question is were they accurate? If not, why not? These are legitimate questions.

Cheney convinced me before the war that we should proceed. If his arguments were not correct, I'd like to know that the reason for the lack of accuracy has been examined, determined and if possible corrected before we do it again.

I guess you're a blind faith kinda guy. I'm not.

116 posted on 07/10/2003 10:00:20 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("His lower lip? What was you aiming at?".......Emmitt Quincy)
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To: Protagoras
Ah,, Republicans playing the liberal politics of envy game. I love it. Oh no!!! The rich got richer!!! Someone made money!!! Oh No!!!!

No, there's not a thing wrong with anyone getting rich. That's not the point and you know it. What it's about is government sponsored trade deals that are putting Americans out of work so companies can use cheaper labor for higher profits. Tariffs is not corporate welfare, it protects American jobs by putting all companies on a level playing field. How do you expect American businesses to compete against those who pay .20 an hour? We're practically forcing them to move to stay competitive. Outsourcing is a perfect example of that.

Here's a prediction for what it's worth, in 5 to 10 years these type of free trade deals are gone with the wind, too many Americans losing their jobs will force change. It will be spun in other ways, but globalism as it is currently structured is not long for this world, that is if politicians want to keep their jobs.

117 posted on 07/10/2003 10:02:50 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Here's a prediction for what it's worth, in 5 to 10 years these type of free trade deals are gone with the wind, too many Americans losing their jobs will force change.

Here's a little tip: what you've been bemoaning this whole thread, and falsely accusing libertarians of supporting, is what's known as 'managed trade'.

'Free trade' is something else entirely.

118 posted on 07/10/2003 10:15:13 AM PDT by Pahuanui (when A Foolish Man Hears The tao, He Laughs Out Loud.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Government sponsered trade deals are not my goal, or the Cato Institutes. I oppose all government intervention in voluntary exchanges between people.

Tariffs are government intervention in those arrangements. They are corporate welfare, and your favorite "job welfare". (read union welfare)

A level playing field is one low tariff (read tax) for all countries no matter who they are. Any good trade agreement can be written on the back of a match book. "We each charge each other 5% on everything with no exceptions". End of agreement.

119 posted on 07/10/2003 10:21:54 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Pahuanui
Here's a little tip: what you've been bemoaning this whole thread, and falsely accusing libertarians of supporting, is what's known as 'managed trade'.

No I never said libertarians, only the Cato Institute. They are in favor of these trade deals like NAFTA, which aren't doing much for us economically. Illegal immigrants continue to pour in while real wages decline.

That was my point from the beginning, the organization is losing credibility among many conservatives over their positions.

120 posted on 07/10/2003 10:25:03 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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