[Teacher317]

What exactly are they stealing by cleaning our toilets? Who are they murdering?

They are stealing our tax money via numerous government programs. The rate of violent crimes (and expensive incarceration) among illegals is far higher than that of American citizens.

[daviddennis]

If the government freely gives something to an illegal, it's not theft.

It could be fraud, if the illegal is pretending to be a citizen.

But it's not "pull a gun on someone and grab all their money" theft.

If the government is willingly providing the money, and the illegal is not deceiving the government, it's neither theft nor fraud.

Under many circumstances, you could convince me that the government should not be doing this for non-citizens. In that case, I would join you in trying to get the rules changed.

You undermine your own case by using loaded words like "thief". I need more than a few isolated incidents to be convinced that this problem is truly serious, or that illegals are anything more than what I think they are: People looking for work here because they can't find it in their own country.

The people of our country used to admire people like that, who have the guts and gumption to start out life in a new place. Now, many of us just want to kick 'em out and slap 'em in the face.

I think that's a very sad commentary on the type of people we have become.

D