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"Greg Thielmann is another"whistle blower" to explore.He retired in Sept from State Dept. intel.It's on the latest CHB and I believe the Guardian had a similar piece."

U.S. Troops Could Be in Iraq in 4 Years
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=3&u=/ap/20030710/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq

from Operation Infinite Freedom thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/943390/posts

Excerpt:
When the war began in March, Iraq posed no threat to the United States or to its neighbors, a former senior State Department intelligence official said Wednesday.

Its missiles could not reach Israel, Saudi Arabia or Iran, said Greg Thielmann, who held a high post in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research.

But Thielmann, one of four critics at a session held by the private Arms Control Association, said the Bush administration had formed a "faith-based" policy on Iraq and took the approach that "we know the answers; give us the intelligence to support those answers."

Thielmann said the administration had distorted intelligence to fit its policy purposes. He said Iraq had no active nuclear weapons program and that while Tenet told Congress Iraq had Scud missiles, the intelligence finding actually was that the missiles could not be accounted for.

Isn't there a smilarity of thought and word with Thielmann and Wilkerson?

Thielmann: "We know the answers; give us the intelligence to support those answers."

"He (Bush) said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some one who could," Wilkerson said in our story.

So this guy Thielmann was an intelligence officer and he is claiming that Iraq had no missiles that could strike Iran........ Huh?

Last time I checked they share a border!

The Al-Masoud2 missiles that were found in Iraq were capable of striking Israel and I guess those missiles that were fired into Kuwait were actually just a figment of our imagination.

This guy Theilman is a fraud as well, and now that he is out of the State Department, whose payroll is he on now?

You know, I keep hearing alot of accusations .. but no proof to back up their claims

As for those misiles .. weren't there a couple them found?

Its missiles could not reach Israel, Saudi Arabia or Iran, said Greg Thielmann, who held a high post in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research.

This statement in and of itself is patently false. As pointed out, Saudi Arabia and Iran share borders with Iraq, making this claim absurd on its face.

Additionally, Iraq's Al-Masoud missile has been proven to have a range in excess of 90 miles, which is long enough to strike a wide range of important strategic targets in Iran and Kuwait, both nations whom Iraq has already invaded, and including the cities of Ahvaz, Khorramshahr, Abadan, Hafr al-Batn, Al Jahra and Kuwait City.

The Al-Masoud has been proven to exist in Iraq's arsenal, but other missile systems have been at issue, including Scud-B systems unaccounted for after Desert Storm, and indigenous missiles Iraq produced, including the Al Hussein, Al Hijarah and Al Abbas systems. During the 1990's, well after Desert Storm, UNSCOM had determined that Iraq had kept several Scud systems and scores of indigenously-produced missiles, but was unable to find and destroy them (call that a literary foreshadowing of things to come). The attacks on Israel during the Gulf War proved conclusively that even inaccurate missiles like the Scud and its derivatives are sufficient to terrorize and intimidate an enemy, if not destroy him.

This statement also ignores the strong possibility that Iraq had secretly acquired Scud parts and Nodong missile components from China and North Korea, respectively. While unproven, the blood trail leading among these countries is about as plain as such things can get.

I do not know Greg Thielmann personally, but based on this and other things I have seen him say, I would not trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He is on somebody else's payroll, I just don't know whose.

As more like him come crawling out of the woodwork, however, the nature of their shadowy paymasters is becoming more distinct.