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U.S. agency confirms sinking of USS Liberty was accident
Haaretz ^ | 9/7/2003 | Nathan Guttman

Posted on 07/08/2003 4:33:17 PM PDT by Courier

U.S. agency confirms sinking of USS Liberty was accident

By Nathan Guttman, Haaretz Correspondent

WASHINGTON - New documents released this week by America's National Security Agency support Israel's version of a long-festering controversy between the two countries: Israel's sinking of an American spy ship, the USS Liberty, off the coast of Gaza during the 1967 Six-Day War.

Israel has always said it had no idea the ship was American, but conspiracy theorists and anti-Israel propagandists still claim Israel sank the ship in the full knowledge that it was American.

The documents, originally defined as top secret, were made public by Florida Judge Jay Cristol, who

has been investigating the Liberty incident for years and published a book on the subject last year. On Monday, the NSA gave him a transcript of conversations held by two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots who were hovering over the Liberty as it was sinking, and these tapes confirm Israel's claim that the sinking of the ship, which killed 34 American servicemen and wounded 171, was a tragic error.

After the Liberty was bombed by both the Israel Air Force and the Israel Navy, the two helicopter pilots were summoned from their base to assess the damage and evaluate the possibility of rescuing the surviving crew members. An American spy plane, which had been sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack, recorded their conversations, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 P.M. on June 8, the third day of the war.

The spy plane also recorded the orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at Hatzor Base, which instructed them to search for Egyptian survivors from the "Egyptian warship" that had just been bombed - thus supporting Israel's claim that it had believed the ship was Egyptian when it ordered it attacked. "Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the pilots were told.

Nine minutes later, Hatzor informed the pilots that it was not an Egyptian warship, but an Egyptian cargo ship. Only at 3:07 were the pilots first informed that the ship might not have been Egyptian at all: Hatzor told them that if they found Arabic-speaking survivors, they should be taken to El-Arish, but if they found English-speaking survivors, they should be taken to Lod. "Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately," the supervisor instructed, according to the transcript. "It's important to know."

Then, at 3:12, one of the pilots informed Hatzor that he saw an American flag flying over the wounded ship. He was asked to investigate and determine whether it was really an American ship.

This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it sank the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands.

Israel has always said it attacked the Liberty, which America sent to the region to gather intelligence on the progress of the war, because it believed it was an Egyptian supply ship ferrying supplies to the Egyptian troops that Israel was then fighting. When it discovered the error, it immediately informed the Americans, apologized and paid compensation to the victims' families.

The incident was investigated by inquiry commissions in both Israel and the United States, and both concluded that it had, indeed, been a tragic error. Nevertheless, the controversy never died. In 1979, one of the survivors, James Ennes, published a book accusing Israel of bombing the American ship deliberately. Ennes claimed an Israeli spy plane had hovered over the ship all morning and had surely identified it as American, since the American flag was clearly visible.

A later book, written by James Bamford, charged that Israel sank the ship in order to keep America from learning of its plans to attack Syria, and further claimed that the NSA had tapes of conversations among Israeli pilots that not only confirmed this, but also proved that the tapes released by Israel had been doctored.

Another claim that appears frequently on the dozens of Internet sites devoted to the affair is that Israel sank the ship to conceal a mass murder of Egyptian soldiers on the Sinai peninsula.

In its letter to Cristol, the NSA stressed that, contrary to the claims that often appear in such books and Web sites - that the agency has tapes from both the Liberty and from a nearby American submarine that confirm Israel's guilt - the only tapes that exist were those made by the spy plane and given to Cristol this week.

"It's the last piece of intelligence that remained classified, and every rational person that will read it will understand that there is no truth in these conspiracy theories against Israel," Cristol said Tuesday. But he added: "Those who hate Israel, who hate Jews, and those who believe in conspiracy will not be convinced by anything."

Cristol, a former U.S. navy pilot and legal officer, began investigating the Liberty incident 14 years ago. Since publishing his book, which vindicates Israel, he has received threats and been accused of being an Israeli agent. "I take this lightly, but I am saddened to learn that there is this kind of hate toward Israel," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: accident; bloodlibel; israel; nsa; sixdaywar; ussliberty
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To: fightu4it
Try any google search and see what the survivors say. And then come back and tell me you have total faith in our government to tell the truth.
61 posted on 07/08/2003 5:22:48 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: fightu4it
Try any google search and see what the survivors say. And then come back and tell me you have total faith in our government to tell the truth.
62 posted on 07/08/2003 5:22:50 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Courier
Are you about to play the "anti Jewish" card? Are you going to be the first?
63 posted on 07/08/2003 5:24:03 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: wideminded
One of your parents might be Jewish but you can not by definition be "half Jewish," like you can be "half Italian" or something. According to Halacha, if your mother was Jewish, you are a Jew. If your father was not, you are not unless you undergo formal conversion.

How many "half Catholics" do you know?

You are either a Jew or a Gentile, there is no such thing as in between.
64 posted on 07/08/2003 5:25:21 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: NormsRevenge
Considering as the USS Liberty was not sunk..

If the article is so very wrong about the major details, how can we depend upon the other "facts" contained in the article?

65 posted on 07/08/2003 5:25:27 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Burkeman1
Here is a well documented paper highlighting the timetable of events along with the inconsistent elements of the eyewitness reports:

http://www.shalem.org.il/azure/9-Oren.htm
66 posted on 07/08/2003 5:30:44 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: adam_az
Are you a rabbi? If you are, I'll explain further and you can answer a question for me.

In any case, being Catholic does not have a racial component. Being Jewish often does.

67 posted on 07/08/2003 5:31:46 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Grampa Dave
You know, I don't really mind being lied to. God knows there seems to be an over-abundance of liars. But in truth, the thing that really p***es me of is to be lied to and then told that if I don't believe it I'm an anti-semite.

Those guys on that ship had no reason to conspire against Israel, or anyone else. To say that they were collectively conspiring against Israel is rediculous.That old dog just wont hunt now any more than it did years ago.Ha'aritz be damned.

Go for it Little Bill.I'm with you.

68 posted on 07/08/2003 5:33:31 PM PDT by Adrastus
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To: adam_az
Yeah- please. A missle or two would be a mistake- not an hour plus long attack. Pathetic. ANd of course those on board can't be trusted for what they saw.
69 posted on 07/08/2003 5:34:10 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: SJackson
I'll wait to see what's in these new docs. Do you know where he's released them? ...........


I have no idea. Yet another USS Liberty thread but one that put's Israel in good light.

70 posted on 07/08/2003 5:34:26 PM PDT by dennisw (G-d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: adam_az; wideminded
Jewish is a religious conciseness. Hebrew is a genetic one. You can be an ethnic Hebrew and not Jewish.

I think in only the Germanic languages like English and German is Jew used as an ethnic identifier. In most European langauges, Romance, Slavic, Greek variations of the word Hebrew is used as the proper word.

Has the Halacha been translated as Jewish in English when it should be Hebrew?

71 posted on 07/08/2003 5:34:49 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: wideminded
I am 1/2 Jewish myself.

You can't be half Jewish, but out of curiosity, what's the other half?

72 posted on 07/08/2003 5:35:40 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: adam_az; Courier
Maybe you could do us a favor and point out the folks who label as hyperpatriot wannabees?

I understand what you and courier are saying about the Israeli pilots operating in "good faith" and carrying out the assault in response to what they felt may be a dangerous target vessel.

I've ate crow before, it ain't bad if the beer is cold.

I definitely take exception with the title, however, and am not labelling the NSA as a doctorer of communications recorded that day. Blame that on my 8th grade english teacher. Clarity of thought is sometimes lost when emotions are invoked.

Thanks

73 posted on 07/08/2003 5:36:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (IN ZOT WE TRUST! ........... http:www.DRAFTTOM.com)
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To: dennisw
Yet another USS Liberty thread but one that put's Israel in good light.

That's not good. You know, this info comes by way of a former Naval aviator, retired Captain, now a judge. Something smells here.

74 posted on 07/08/2003 5:37:07 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: wideawake
But no anti-Semite will ever be convinced.

I really don't think "anti-Semitism" is an issue for most people when they're determining where to come down on this story. A lot of people simply are not willing to assume that our own survivors are liars.

75 posted on 07/08/2003 5:37:20 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (670: neighbor of the neighbor of The Beast.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I definitely take exception with the title

It's from Ha'aertz. They make the New York Times look like a bastion of conservatism. Personally, I'll listen to the judge, but not through Ha'aertz's filter.

76 posted on 07/08/2003 5:38:45 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: All
CLICK HERE FOR EYE WITNESS STORY
Sorry if this has already been posted.
Anyone can call me anti Jewish or whatever, it don't make a big RA to me. The Jews murdered these people and knew they were doing it.

77 posted on 07/08/2003 5:40:48 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: NormsRevenge
The word "sink" in the story as was written in the breaking news section has been changed for the full story in the published paper.

The title is now:

Memos show Liberty attack was an error

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=315949&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

As if that makes a bit of difference.

78 posted on 07/08/2003 5:44:14 PM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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To: adam_az
Ask any lawyer or judge or police officer about the veracity (or lack thereof) of first person accounts.

Yeah, rapid succession events under high stress stack up in the brain, get mixed in order, forgotten, confused with other experiences, things imagined... the bad info re-ingrained by recounting in the calmer time afterwards (and still we execute people on one eye witness but that's a side rant)

79 posted on 07/08/2003 5:44:33 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Dubya
Read this account

http://www.shalem.org.il/azure/9-Oren.htm

which is a timeline and points out where the differences are between the multiple eyewitness accounts, they vary on important details. There is a bibliography, you can check the sources yourself.

80 posted on 07/08/2003 5:44:36 PM PDT by adam_az
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