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To: mvpel
"It is important to be aware of the efforts of vegetarian activists and what they are plotting to force on the rest of us"

Fortunately, this is a much harder battle. Second hand smoke has long been an annoyance to those of us who didn't smoke. And in many buildings the level of smoke in the air truly was a health hazard.

There is no such concern as "second hand meat". There is not even a health issue, since people who don't eat red meat tend to become anemic unless they take supplements. And vegetarians die younger than meat eaters.

Therefore they will have to win their battle either along idealogical lines, which I don't see happening. Except for the warning in scripture that in the last days men will say not to eat meat.

Or they will have to pitch an economic argument such as a cow only feeds 1 person, but 20 people could eat the grain that the cow consumes. Therefore it's obscene to eat meat when other people can only afford to eat grain. Or some nonesense like that.

4 posted on 07/06/2003 11:36:12 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
they will have to win their battle either along idealogical lines, which I don't see happening.

Of course not, they don't have facts on their side... They will run the emotional campaign. History shows it works.

6 posted on 07/06/2003 11:42:09 AM PDT by ElectricRook
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To: DannyTN
Fortunately, this is a much harder battle. Second hand smoke has long been an annoyance to those of us who didn't smoke. And in many buildings the level of smoke in the air truly was a health hazard.

So the force of government coercion was applied to smokers because people couldn't be bothered to install adequate ventilation. Terrific.

All they have to do is make a compelling case against the impact of slaughterhouses and ranches on the environment and the health of those nearby, as they have been working hard on doing for pig farms and their effluent ponds, and voila, there's a second-hand meat case.

They argue that between heart disease, cholesterol, etc, that eating meat isn't healthy when compared to a vegetarian diet, which may be true.

Banning of smoking, and efforts to tax it out of existence, were considered nonsense 25 years ago. I don't think it's a wise idea to write these people off as nuts.

This sort of creeping fascism was why the Constitution specifically enumerated limited powers to the federal government.

8 posted on 07/06/2003 11:43:47 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: DannyTN
Or they will have to pitch an economic argument such as a cow only feeds 1 person, but 20 people could eat the grain that the cow consumes. Therefore it's obscene to eat meat when other people can only afford to eat grain. Or some nonesense like that.

Vegans often use this argument, and it's entirely facetious. I ask them: Have you ever eaten feed-corn? Of all the wheat grown in California, wheat from only two very small microclimate regions has enough protein in it to be accepted by bakers; the rest of the grain, barley, wheat, etc., grown in here is too low in protein, and is fit only for stock consumpion.

In other words, the grain fed to livestock is not even close in quality to the grain eaten by humans! Hey, vegans -- there's a reason Ruminantia like cattle, deer, buffalo, goats, llamas, and other cud-chewing animals have four chambers in their stomachs!!! Those animals can eat and process stuf that we can't!!

*sigh* Vegetarians, especially vegans, are idiots, if often likeable idiots, every one of them. I have a lot of friends who are vegetarians, and I must say, they go down in my estimation when I learn they're vegetarians. I lose real respect for them. I ask them, don't they feel guilty for all the little critters they've killed directly and indirectly, by their advocacy of crop farming, which not only wipes out thousands of acres of land where formerly lived cute little foxes, birds, snakes, lizards, squirrels, deer, coyotes, bobcats, etc. etc. and replaces them with rows of crops, BUT which also diverts water from ecosystems in order to irrigate? I.E., how many animals died for that plate of broccoli?

Nor do they know what to say when I point out that vegan mammals such as manatees and deer and even horses have small brains for their body sizes, wherease omnivores and carnivores have much larger brain cases in proportion to their bodies. Why? Because protein is what builds brain tissue in any mammal foetus.

Vegans and vegatarians are harbingers of a New-Age Dark Age!

20 posted on 07/06/2003 12:42:11 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, and success. Amen.)
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To: DannyTN
Except for the warning in scripture that in the last days men will say not to eat meat.

I guess I missed that one. In which book, chapter & verse does that statement occur?

TIA

33 posted on 07/06/2003 1:32:19 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: DannyTN
Second hand smoke has long been an annoyance to those of us who didn't smoke. And in many buildings the level of smoke in the air truly was a health hazard.

Maybe an annoyance, but not a health threat for those without a pre-existing ailment.

There is no such concern as "second hand meat".

Actually you are incorrect here. The carcinogens that are released by grilling that steak or burger you wish to enjoy far exceed those emitted by the burning ends of even a room full of cigarette smokers.

You are correct the veggies will not win this battle, but only because of the hypocrisy of the anti-smoker organizations - they will not sit by idly while their ox (or cow) is gored.

35 posted on 07/06/2003 1:44:37 PM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers = personification of everything wrong in this country)
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To: DannyTN
Or they will have to pitch an economic argument such as a cow only feeds 1 person, but 20 people could eat the grain that the cow consumes.

Actually, I don't think I could eat a whole cow. (Not at one sitting anyway). So I'll just have a small serving.

46 posted on 07/06/2003 6:13:51 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I'm sorry but I never apologise and never explain)
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To: DannyTN
There is not even a health issue, since people who don't eat red meat tend to become anemic unless they take supplements. And vegetarians die younger than meat eaters.

Actually, it is even worse than this. There is an emerging crisis in the use of SOY in America. Soy has been pushed by food Nazis as the alternatve to meat for decades, and has unfortunately shown up in thousands of products of every type. However, Soy has been linked with Thyroid dysfunction and damage, as well as other potentially dangerous health effects. This damage actually worsens obesity by greatly reducing metabolism in high-soy content eaters. There are too many links to post. Just look up Google for "soy" and "thyroid". Here is one:

Soy's Thyroid Dangers

The evidence of the damaging effects of Soy has been covered up by militant efforts of the vegan mafia and their accomplices in the press. DO NOT EVER give your child soy-based formula or soy-milk under any circumstances. There are lactose-free brands...PLEASE do not use soy.

51 posted on 07/06/2003 8:43:16 PM PDT by montag813
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