[marron]

Again, I haven't yet heard anyone refute any substantive point she has made. I would say that they can't. For one, I remember the history, and she is right. For another, if they could, they would. They don't.

If you want to convince people, start with bold. Speak up boldly. But you will notice that if you are effective in debating the left, if you are effective at pointing out the inaccuracies and inconsistencies and internal contradictions in their case, they will accuse you of being hateful no matter how nice and even-toned you are. Thats when the venom starts, and you had better be prepared for it.

So, I vote for bold, if it fits your personality. Go with whatever works for you. But expect to be vilified whatever you do.

[Dave S]

But you will notice that if you are effective in debating the left

Why are you wasting your time debating the left. All that will do is make you feel good. The people that need to be persuaded are those in the middle. You are not going to convince the lefties. To them its a religion just like it is to you.