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Andrew Sullivan: It’s all getting a little hysterical (Ann Coulter = Michael Moore)
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 07/06/03 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 07/05/2003 4:28:35 PM PDT by Pokey78

Few would dispute that she’s a babe. Lanky, skinny, with long blonde hair tumbling down to her breasts, Ann Coulter has been photographed in a shiny black latex dress. She’s whip-sharp in public debates, has done a fair amount of homework and has made a lot of the right enemies.

If much of modern American conservatism has made headway because of its media savvy, compelling personalities and shameless provocation, then Coulter deserves some pride of place in its vanguard.

But that, of course, is also the problem. In the ever-competitive marketplace of political ideas — in a world of blogs and talk radio and cable news — it is increasingly hard to stand out. Coulter’s answer to that dilemma is twofold: look amazing and ratchet up the rhetoric against the left until it has the subtlety and nuance of a car alarm. The left, in turn, has learnt the lesson, which is why the attack dog Michael Moore has done so well.

In fact, it’s worth thinking of Coulter as a kind of inverse Moore: whereas he’s ugly and ill-kempt, she’s glamorous and impeccably turned out. (Her web page, anncoulter.org, has a gallery of sexy images.) But what they have in common is more significant: a hysterical hatred of their political opponents and an ability to say anything to advance their causes (and extremely lucrative careers).

Coulter’s modus operandi is rhetorical extremity. She was fired from the conservative National Review magazine when, in the wake of 9/11, she urged the invasion of all Muslim nations and the forcible conversion of their citizens to Christianity.

As Brendan Nyhan, the media critic, has documented, her flights of fancy go back a long way. No punches are pulled. Ted Kennedy is an “adulterous drunk”. President Clinton had “crack pipes on the White House Christmas tree”. You get the idea.

In Coulter’s world there are two types of people: conservatives and liberals. These are not groups of people with competing ideas. They are the repositories of good and evil. There are no distinctions among conservatives or among liberals. To admit the complexity of political discourse would immediately require Coulter to think, explain, argue. But why bother when you can earn millions by being insulting? Here are a few comments about “liberals” that Coulter has deployed over the years: “Liberals are fanatical liars.” Liberals are “devoted to class warfare, ethnic hatred and intolerance”. Liberals “hate democracy because democracy requires persuasion and compromise rather than brute political force”.

Some of this is obvious hyperbole designed for a partisan audience. Some of it could be explained as good, dirty fun. It was this formula that gained her enormous sales for her last book, Slander, which detailed, in sometimes hilarious prose, the liberal bias in much of the American media.

Her latest tome ups the ante even further. If biased liberal editors are busy slandering conservatives, liberals more generally are dedicated to the subversion of their own country. They are guilty of — yes — treason.

A few nuggets: “As a rule of thumb, Democrats opposed anything opposed by their cherished Soviet Union. The Soviet Union did not like the idea of a militarily strong America. Neither did the Democrats!” Earlier in the same vein: “Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America’s self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.”

And then: “The myth of ‘McCarthyism’ is the greatest Orwellian fraud of our times. Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. The portrayal of Senator Joe McCarthy as a wild-eyed demagogue destroying innocent lives is sheer liberal hobgoblinism. Liberals weren’t hiding under the bed during the McCarthy era. They were systematically undermining the nation’s ability to defend itself, while waging a bellicose campaign of lies to blacken McCarthy’s name.”

Coulter does not seek to complicate her view of liberals with any serious treatment of the many Democrats and liberals who were ferociously anti-communist. Scoop Jackson? Harry Truman? John F Kennedy? Lyndon Vietnam Johnson? She doesn’t substantively deal with those Democrats today — from Senator Joe Lieberman to The New Republic magazine — who were anti-Saddam before many Republicans were.

She is absolutely right to insist that many on the left are in denial about the complicity of some Americans in Soviet evil, the guilt of true traitors such as Alger Hiss or the Rosenbergs, who helped Stalin and his heirs in their murderous pursuits.

Part of the frustration of reading Coulter is that her basic causes are the right ones: the American media truly is biased to the left; some liberals and Democrats were bona fide traitors during the cold war; many on the far left today are essentially anti-American and hope for the defeat of their country in foreign wars.

But by making huge and sweeping generalisations about all liberals, Coulter undermines her own arguments and comes close to making them meaningless. If you condemn good and bad liberals alike, how can you be trusted to make any moral distinctions of any kind? And by defending the tactics of McCarthy, she actually plays directly into the hands of the left.

What she won’t concede is that it is possible to be clear-headed about the role that some liberals and Democrats played in supporting the Soviet Union, while reviling the kind of tactics that McCarthy used.

In fact, when liberals taunt conservatives with being McCarthyites, conservatives now have to concede that some of their allies, namely Coulter, obviously are McCarthyites — and proud of it.

Ron Radosh, one of the most reputable scholars who has studied the McCarthy era in great detail, is appalled at the damage Coulter has done to the work he and many others have painstakingly done over the years.

“I am furious and upset about her book,” he told me last week. “I am reading it — she uses my stuff, Harvey Klehr and John Haynes, Allen Weinstein etc, to distort what we actually say and to make ludicrous and historically incorrect arguments.

“You might recall my lengthy and negative review in The New Republic a few years ago of (Arthur) Herman’s book on McCarthy; well, she is 10 times worse than Herman. At least he tried to use bona fide historical methods of research and argument.”

Radosh has endured ostracism and abuse for insisting that many of McCarthy’s victims were indeed communist spies or agents. But he draws the line at Coulter’s crude and inflammatory defence of McCarthy: “I think it is important that those who are considered critics of left/liberalism don’t stop using our critical faculties when self-proclaimed conservatives start producing crap.”

Amen. American politics has been badly damaged by the scruple-free tactics of those like Moore and Coulter. In some ways, of course, these shameless hucksters of ideological hate deserve each other. But America surely deserves better.


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To: PhilDragoo
His pants are as low-slung as the ones that I saw on a pic of Britney Spears the other day.


141 posted on 07/05/2003 7:07:17 PM PDT by alnick (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: squidly
No, I think that the term liberal needs to be redefined as leftist. I don't think that there are many "liberals" in the pure sense of the word in the Democrat party. That's the only problem that I see with Ann's book. I think that there are the "progressive" (socialist/fascist) Democrats and the old fashioned working class Democrats who don't really understand politics. Other than that I think that the book was pretty much right on.

My grandfather was one of those accused of being a communist. He was accused by the Democrats though, not the Republicans. He was a Democrat New Jersey Assemblyman for Camden County who didn't follow party line. His opponent in the primary accused him of being a communist. They must have already been following him because the only evidence that they came up with was that he was seen perusing the headlines on a communist newspaper at a news stand. He not only lost the primary, but they ruined his life. The FBI followed him everywhere, questioned his church members, his neighbors and his fellow employees at RCA where he was the top tool and die maker and held a top security clearance. He was president of the union and made all the parts for the first color tv. He was also a good Christian man, not at all the type to go for communism. The FBI even attended his funeral in 1954.
142 posted on 07/05/2003 7:09:46 PM PDT by Eva
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To: TLBSHOW
This was a hit piece. Andrew is quibbling here; it has been the LEFT for the past half-century that has been using hyperbole, exaggeration and outright lies to attack. Ann gives it back to them in spades and they're all running for cover or doing smear jobs like this.

The stakes here must have been high for Sullivan to go to so much trouble. He has dropped considerably in my eyes after this.

143 posted on 07/05/2003 7:10:26 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Radix
Anyone who would willingly be a member of that Party which has been hijacked by radicals long ago (last quarter century or so) should indeed be considered either a traitor or a fool

But Ann is going back to the 40's and 50's to make her case. Reagan was a Dem in the 50's. Kirkpatrick was a Dem until Reagan ran for President in 80.

144 posted on 07/05/2003 7:11:02 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Pokey78
Sullivan is right. Not all left-liberals are communist traitors. Do you think every left-winger serving in our armed forces is a traitor?
145 posted on 07/05/2003 7:13:27 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Mr. Mojo
But her style (of both debating and writing) is a little intemperate for my taste.

You said what I was thinking! On television her snap one-liners can be very effective, but I don't really go for her writing very much.

And my husband just noticed all the pictures on the screen, and said she wasn't much to his taste, but he probably has an ulterior motive.

146 posted on 07/05/2003 7:14:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I will be 37 this month. Am I grown up yet?)
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To: Tax-chick
And my husband just noticed all the pictures on the screen, and said she wasn't much to his taste

Your husband has good taste :)

147 posted on 07/05/2003 7:15:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Pokey78
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148 posted on 07/05/2003 7:16:15 PM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Right on Mojo. Also, I think the fact that Radosh has criticized the book (which perhaps may have been exaggerated by Sullivan) for jumping to conclusions is important.

Ron Radosh is an extremely credible historian whose work is so good that liberal historians are finally giving him his due. Anyone who would call him a "fool" (not you) has no idea what he's talking about.

That said, however, there is a good thing about Treason in that it enables average people to know some of the things that Radosh and others have been saying for the past few decades. This is good. That said, very very few liberals or moderates will be convinced but they likely would never read any book by a real conservative historian so in that sense, it may be a wash wrt moderates/liberals.

Coulter does some good but she is far from the godess that many on here perceive her to be.
149 posted on 07/05/2003 7:16:15 PM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: Mr. Mojo
You are a gentleman!
150 posted on 07/05/2003 7:17:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I will be 37 this month. Am I grown up yet?)
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To: Pokey78
ann is not the "extremist" that the media makes her out to be.

for example, bill handel of kfi los angeles had an interview with her, and he called her "right wing" and "really out there". he was insulting.

she is correct. for example, as late as the early 1980's when i returned to grad school i had a girl friend who said, "ortega and his party are the good guys"! referring to the war in central america. never mind that it was decades after stalin was proved to be a killer.

she's now, of course, a ph.d., and tenured at a university. surprise, surprise.
151 posted on 07/05/2003 7:17:57 PM PDT by liberalnot (right turn on red permitted.)
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To: CyberAnt
Lookout, I'm about to terminex you, cybercrunch and it won't be pretty (and your little dog, too, hehe).
152 posted on 07/05/2003 7:19:17 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: shanscom
Joe Lieberman has consistently advocated a strong national defense, and I believe actually supports the missile defense program.

How does throwing out military ballots fit in with Lieberman advocating a strong national defense?

153 posted on 07/05/2003 7:20:22 PM PDT by alnick (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: marron
Does Sullivan believe that if Ann disappeared, Moore would go away? This is hardly the case. Until recently, the left had a monopoly. There was no Sullivan, no Coulter, no Limbaugh, no Fox. No intenet. No Free Republic. Until recently Walter Cronkite could say things no more extreme than Moore and get paid to say it. And no one would refute him

If you really think Ann does anything but preach to the converted you're delusional. No one but firebreathing right wingers are going to even bother to listen to her arguments. The vast middle that you want to persuade is totally turned off by her attitude and crude behavior.

154 posted on 07/05/2003 7:20:53 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: shanscom
Andrew Sullivan's stance on gay rights and liberalism on other social issues is a little off-putting, but other than that, he is a strident conservatism. He's also reasonable.

I have to disagree with you on that. Sullivan is a whiny self promoter who is constantly trying to find a way to distinguish himself from the "conservative" mainstream and thus draw attention to himself. He did this obviously on the sodomy issue, in which he has a vested interest, but also on other issues. The PC-monger smear of Trent Lott over Strom Thurmond is a classic example where Sullivan not only called for Lott's ouster (but then again, everybody wanted him to go because he was incompetant as a leader) but fully endorsed the race hustler attacks as reason to do so. His participation in that charade makes even the worst tactics of Coulter look moderate, professional, and sensible.

In those few cases where Sullivan does actually inject the tools of reason into his arguments (and IMHO they are few and far between), he has tendency to quickly lose it by injecting his own rabid homosexuality into whatever given issue it may be, no matter how far fetched his case is, and from it launch another attack in his personal attention-grabbing crusade.

We as conservatives can, and have, done better. Sullivan and Noonan, National Review and Weekly Standard. All good standard-bearers, that are not throwing around insults half the time.

Noonan is fine. Weekly Standard, though too liberal for me at times, is also respectable. National Review, however, is a sad shell of what it used to be and better resembles Rich Lowry's college frat house than a professional magazine of intelligent writers. Once again, I would have to choose Coulter, despite her flaws, over NR if for no other reason than that the worst of her tactics look professional to Jonah Goldberg writing about "mega wedgies" and telling the intellectual equivalent of fart jokes.

155 posted on 07/05/2003 7:21:29 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Endeavor; CyberAnt
You guys are cute!
156 posted on 07/05/2003 7:23:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick
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To: GulliverSwift
Coulter's book does indeed serve the purpose you describe. The recent (trendy) wave of popular books in general by conservatives - O'Reilly, L. Elder, Coulter, etc. - fill a niche quite nicely. Most of their readers, as you mentioned, will never delve into any of the scholarly works by historians and political scientists. Great for checking out of the library, but they look kind of ridiculous on the bookshelf after a few months.
157 posted on 07/05/2003 7:24:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: PhilDragoo
"I attempted to open the door and window of the car but I have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and repeatedly dove down to see if the passenger was still in it. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock and I recall that I was able to get back to some friends who had a car parked in front of the cottage. I asked someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period of time and when I suddenly realized what happened, I immediately called the police," Kennedy said.
158 posted on 07/05/2003 7:24:36 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: alnick
But she doesn't make that claim. Her accusaion of treason is against the democrat party as an entity, as she has stated in every interview that I've seen her give to promote "Treason."

Whether she states it directly or merely skates close to saying it, that is what the nuckledraggers who read her trash take out of her book. Look at any Ann Coulter thread and you will see TLBSHOW and others agreeing that ALL DEMOCRATS ARE TRAITORS.

159 posted on 07/05/2003 7:26:59 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: jwalburg
It will have the opposite effect and make liberals sputter and backpedal. It already has sometimes.

Duh? The objective is not to flumox the liberal she is debating, it's to persuade the audience. Acting like a pig, whether Coulter or Moore is not going to win friends and influence viewers.

160 posted on 07/05/2003 7:30:50 PM PDT by Dave S
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