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To: hobbes1
Your assertions about the Southern secession being treasonous are absurd to the point of being ludicrous. IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING about the Founding Fathers' intent when the Constitution was written, you would understand that this is a government of the People, the States retained their sovereignty when they ratified the Constitution, and it (the Constitution) clearly limited the power of the Federal Government. So if the SUPREME AUTHORITY rests with the People, then as such the PEOPLE have the power to make or un-make any Constitution. James Madison recognized this indisputable fact!

In the days of the American War for Independence you would have been called a Tory because of your beliefs of who holds power. Thomas Jefferson said "This government is ruled by the People, no longer will the priviledged few ride booted and spurred over the backs of the many" (or something similar to this statement).

Your assertion that discretionary power rests in the hands of the Government is in direct contravention to the cornerstone of American beliefs (i.e. The DOI) ... you know ... 'that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just (meaning limited)powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.'

Because Lincoln abused his authority to call up the Federal Army to forcibly keep the South in the Union, he invalidated the DOI as our cornerstone of uniquely American beliefs.

But since our laws are founded on English law, and Ancient Roman and Greek law ... if you would bother to research it, you would find out that the South had every right to secede (i.e. NATURAL LAW) and under articles 9 and 10 of the Bill of Rights, which was a prohibition on the Federal Government when written. Yes, the North won and forcibly repatriated the Southern States ... but it doesn't make what that government did right, or just, it only makes the supposed limited Federal Government the anti-thesis of what the Founders' intended. And don't try to sell me the horse crap about what the Supreme Court ruled in 1869 either. The bottom line is that in 1865 the Supreme Court became the tool of governmental policy rather than the arbiters of "equal protection under law". The Supreme Court Justices are human, and as such they have the human frailties of fear, and they wouldn't dare go against a government who appointed them, and had just ground the Southern people under their booted heel.

And your assertion about "We don't like this game, so we're taking our ball and going home" treason is crap, because the Founders intended for the People, thereby the States, to have the right of self-determination. And if the government, or the Northern merchants using the Federal Government as a tool of oppression against Southern economic interests, was indeed being abusive of that very right of self-determination ... then indeed the South was legitimate in its bid to withdraw from the Union, and to establish its own form of Government which would secure its economic prosperity ( i.e. Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness).

I would strongly suggest that you read 'A Constitutional History of Secession' by John Remington Graham (a Minnesota Lawyer) written in 2002.

81 posted on 07/01/2003 6:45:35 PM PDT by Colt .45 (Cold War, Vietnam Era, Desert Storm Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry!)
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To: Colt .45
Very good post Sir. Well said!
83 posted on 07/02/2003 2:48:39 AM PDT by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: Colt .45
IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING about the Founding Fathers' intent when the Constitution was written, you would understand that this is a government of the People

Yes. Of the People...All the people, in the free exercise of Democracy (Not just the half that lost. You do not shatter a country over the poor electoral results, te secessionists are like Sore Losermen, with their own armies FCOL), and even a cursory glance at the treasonous secessionist documents tells you, flat out, that it was simply "we dont like this so were taking our ball and going home..."

Like the DOI says, governments should not be changed ad hoc for transient causes....

There was no Long train of injuries and usurpations....the founding fathers spent more time cajoling, begging and pleading with england, than the south did whining about lincolns election.And Lincoln, two months into that term would hardly have had the opportunity to enjoin the same manner of desptism as King George had.

So, I would think that absent the Lincoln=King George axiom, the Founding Fathers would have seen it Abes way.

As history does.....

85 posted on 07/02/2003 5:20:15 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Colt .45
Pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,

The Whole argument falls, because you cannot make the case that that is true, therefore the conditions existant when the DOI was brought forth are NON EXISTENT in this case.

86 posted on 07/02/2003 5:23:10 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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