[TheDon]

Cute, but neither accurate, nor relevant to the discussion at hand. The citizens of the US get the government they vote for. When we no longer have the right to vote, then we'll dust off your submission for a new DOI.

In the meantime, I'll keep waiting for the neo-confederates to supply the "train of abuses" the Confederates used to justify their rebellion against the lawful authority of the US Constitution.

[azhenfud]

"The citizens of the US get the government they vote for. When we no longer have the right to vote, then we'll dust off your submission for a new DOI."

Billbears,
Could I impose upon you for your thoughts on this classic statement?
I thank you in advance...
D.V.
Az

[JohnGalt]

Jacobinism is the statist kool-aid, and simply carries no wait as an argument. It lacks even an emotional appeal to 'the chords of memory.'

What choice did Virginia have in Feb-April 1861? Side question: were you cheering for the ATF April 19, 1993? (Of course you weren't.)

You attempts at pan-Southernism and pan-Confederacy as if it was a monolith of agreed upon opinion illustrate an intellectual laziness that even us Northern Yankees can see right through.

[sheltonmac]

Cute, but neither accurate, nor relevant to the discussion at hand.

It is relevant in the sense that states still have as much right to secede now as they did in 1861.

As far as enumerating specific grievances, no such list is required. However, if it's specificity you want, check out a few of the Declarations of Causes of Secession (http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html). Yes, slavery was an issue, but the bigger issue was the preservation of states' rights.