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To: Prost1

"German comes from the word Germane and referred to the those tribes who originally had been known to live in the Ukraine but moved westward into Celtic territory."

I believe German comes from the Latin word Germanus and I think it has some connection to a term meaning "brothers".
The German name for themselves was something like Teutones and the modern German word Deutsch is derived from it.

I do not believe the Germans came from Ukraine. I believe you are confusing the Goths, a Germanic tribe with "the Germans". The Goths originally came from Scandinavia, settled on the shores of the Baltic Sea for a time and controlled the lucrative amber trade with Greece and Ancient Rome. LAter they moved into Ukraine and lived there for some time before being driven west by the Huns and tribes allied with them. A portion of the Goths themselves, the later Ostrogoths, were actually forcibly recruited into the Hunnish Army along with various Turkic, Iranian and other Germanic people.

The Germans originally came from northern Europe and moved west, east and south, displacing the Celtic people from Switzerland, southern Germany and Austria until temporarily stopped by the Romans.

"Thus Germans refer to the original Scythians, not those latter known by that name because they displaced the Germane (original) peoples."

Again, I don't agree. The original Scythians were an Iranian people related to the ancient Persians and Sanskrit speaking invaders of India.

"The habit of Lederhosen is a direct linkage to the Scythian horsemanship."

Why on earth would anybody want to ride a horse in short pants? Horsehair can be very irritating. The Scythians, Mongols, Huns, Goths, Turks and other horse people always worse full pants.

I haven't got the slightest idea where Lederhosen came from. I think it means Leather Pants in German.

Why does this topic seem to interst so many people and why does it keep regurgitating itself? That's interesting in itself.


179 posted on 08/09/2006 7:05:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
It is totally absurd to think of a people coming out of Scandinavia en masse. This is another false assumption of early "historian" which is still perpetuated.

And, no, I am not thinking of the Goths. The Franks came from the area as well. As legend has it, Trier was founded by a descendant of Troy and became one of the "Palaces" of the Franks.

Deutsch refers to Tribe in the same way as Tuatha refers to tribe. "Ich bin Deutscher" means "I am a tribesman". "Aber was fuer ein Deutscher?" means "But which tribe?" "Ja, ich bin Hessisch" means "I am Hessian". Underlying the meaning is that of "Volk" or people. So the order of the language is People, tribesman, tribe.

As an aside, the curiosity of saying Deutscher is that the languages spoken must have been far closer than they are today. Considering that a vocabulary of 10,000 words was probably max, it is not unreasonable to suggest that German, Keltic and possibly other languages were more similar than conjectured.

Back to the basics. Europe was lightly populated as a result of the last Ice Age. Forests covered much of the landscape, wolves and bears were found throughout. People would have had to stay close to fresh water sources that would have provided their principle transportation, as well. Northern Europe and Germany was marshy or plains. Tribes moved as they used up the local resources. There is no substantive proof that Cold, dark, unfriendly Scandinavia could support the large numbers of peoples supposedly appearing suddenly from there.

To the contrary. The people north of the Black sea followed the sea routes north and established settlements and colonies.

Sorry for being long-winded.
180 posted on 08/09/2006 5:01:05 PM PDT by Prost1 (uit)
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