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To: Bonaparte
Is it ok with you if people parade themselves nude in front of parents and children in public parks?

Yes. Here I was thinking of the nude beach type setting. Sure. No problem there at all. And I think you understand me clearly.
But I'd also have no problem with it, if a mall owner wanted to go nudist either.
Not saying I'd shop there, but...

Engage in sexual activity in front of same?"

I'm arguing against your absolutism.
The question should be : Should there be a law against kids seeing two people have sex.
My answer is no.

So yes, it is ok if "Engage in sexual activity in front of (snip) parents and children". Because to say no would give you license to create criminals out of something that is normal, and not dirty no matter how much you want to make it.

Sex is part of human life like eating, sleeping and breathing. Your fundamentalist drive to hide it, to make kids curious, to teach them that something that is normal for their bodies (and don't give me crap, I remember being a teenage boy) - is far more harmful than seeing a naked couple on a beach. Or even a naked couple having sex.

If we were mentally healthy about sex, and came upon a couple on a beach somewhere having sex - then the parents and kids would see the couple and move away to give them privacy. And no doubt the kids would giggle about it....

There is nothing good in a society that treats sex as dirty. In fact, I'd bet that part of the overabundance of sexuality - the 'obsession' if you will, is DUE to the puritanical societal mores.

We're not on the same plane.
I'm advocating extreme social and functional change. And you're trying to use your current (and Puritanical, if I may) mindset now to frame the cultural reaction to the events. I seek to change the cultural reactions.

Never had sex outside, have you?

319 posted on 06/30/2003 1:36:06 AM PDT by DAnconia55 (Fundies are captive voters.)
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To: DAnconia55
More tap dancing. But once again, your answers were as clear and unequivocal as my questions were. You can go back and "re-write" your answers all you want, qualify them into something else till the sun comes up but, as I said, your answers to those questions couldn't have been more clear.

And your views on exposing children to sex and nudity place you way over on the far lunatic fringe with people like Larry Flynnt. Americans do not want their children exposed to these things. In fact, practically every community in the United States has laws against them and when people who think like you do flash youngsters or commit lewd acts in front of them, parents summon the police -- just as any responsible and moral person would.

I don't know what appalls me more -- your immorality or your dishonesty. Maybe it's a toss-up.

In response to your indelicate remarks about your wife [post 208], pram suggested you might want to seek a more appropriate forum for such confessions [post 216], to which you responded that your perversions were shared by "the huge vast majority of Americans" [post 218].

When pram challenged you on that claim, asking you for your source on percentage of heterosexuals practicing sodomy [post 223], you could only present equivocal data of 25% from a University of Chicago study and a cumulative figure of 30% from other surveys [post 233]. These numbers you somehow transmuted into 40%, a figure still far short of "the huge vast majority of Americans" who purportedly share your enthusiasm for sodomy. Having failed to prove your claim, you mocked pram for a fool. But there was only one fool in that exchange and it sure wasn't pram.

320 posted on 06/30/2003 2:18:05 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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