>>>The problem with having homosexuality openly accepted in society is it tells society that the most radical expression of human sexuality is "o.k.". What that leads to is an attitude among heterosexuals that non-procreative sex is the norm, all social taboos on abberant sexuality begin to collapse and you have the disintegration of the nuclear family, the basis of stable society.
When you have strong Judeo-Christian morality, you don't need a hell of a lot of government, because there are natural constraints on people's behavior that are re-inforced by the culture. This is the idea that conservatives want the cops to 'knock down the doors' of homosexuals etc. No. Homosexuality should be so heavily tabooed in society that society itself does not tolerate it. If you have a strong culture, everyone acts as the "police dept" in a way, upholding standards and morals so you don't need much government. The more Judeo-Christian morality becomes the norm, the more abstinence before marriage becomes the norm so you have...less children born out of wedlock, and thus less social welfare payments to single mothers and less tax money needed to pay for foster children. You have less transmission of STDs and thus less need for public health programs. You have stronger marriages and thus...less court costs and social costs for divorce. You have less children being raised in unstable families and thus you have...less crime. And on and on.
Social conservatives don't want to 'use the government to enforce our private morality'. We want to stop the goverment from interfering with the natural way that people enforce morality on their own. The Texas sodomy law case is a perfect illustration. The moral structure of Texas society is heavily Christian, and thus expresses itself in the passage of things like laws forbidding homosexual sodomy. The people have said "these are our values, and thus we're expressing them by passing a law". The Feds, through the court system say "No, you're going to adopt our liberal morality, and we're going to strike down this law". And thus you get all the awful things that come along with homosexuality...disease, promiscuity and so on.
If you don't have a self-policing, moral society, forget about liberty. If everyone starts believing that acting in an anti-social manner is O.K., then the costs of all these anti-social actions begins to build up and you get more and more goverment. Look at how socially liberal Europe is. And look at how much government they have. There was a story recently published here on FR about the exploding rates of STDs in Britain, and how the government simply cannot cope with it. Well, a century ago, when Britain had a far more Christian culture, that wasn't a problem. Nor was crime. At the turn of the century in Britain, you could walk into a gun store, buy a gun and walk out with it. And the cops didn't have guns. And there was very little crime in Britain. Because the people were moral, far more moral than they are now. Now that Britain has discarded Christian morality, they have high rates of crime, high rates of out of wedlock childbirth, high rates of STDs and on and on. And they have a huge government, because when people start behaving in a completely irresponsible manner, someone has to pick up the cost.
This is the folly of libertarianism. The belief that you can have a society of people who are doing drugs, men marrying men, a laissez fair attitude to sex and so on, yet still have little government. It's impossible. And crazy. Social conservatism is merely advocating that people begin to self-police their own behavior. If that idea is unacceptable on FR, then I really don't know what to say about it.<<<
The folly of libertarianism is its atheistic denial of Original Sin and the effects on society of that aspect of man's nature, and the collective effect of sin on culture.
You're speaking out of the wrong oriface again.
How would 'society' (Which does not exist) not 'tolerate' something?
Nah, you don't want to lock them. You want to kill them all?
What that leads to is an attitude among heterosexuals that non-procreative sex is the norm, all social taboos on abberant sexuality begin to collapse and you have the disintegration of the nuclear family, the basis of stable society.
Non-Procreative Sex IS THE NORM.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're utterly clueless about reality.
Most people - brace yourself, this will be hard - HAVE SEX FOR PLEASURE.
How can anyone who thinks read that rubbish and not understand the contradictions. It reads like something Hitler or Stalin would have written.
T, man, sigh....ow. My head hurts....