TEEN People Mag: Born with the wrong body - Transgender teens... (MEGA-BARF ALERT)

Teen People Magazine | June / July 2003 | Stephanie Booth

[LisaFab]

When I was 11, I told my parents I was a lesbian. They're former hippies and really open-minded, so they were totally supportive.

This line sums it up for me.

[Porterville]

I think I'll move to Saudi Arabia where at least I can protect my children from perverts who would rape their minds in the popular press.

[hosepipe]

NAMBLA Alert...........

[Arthur McGowan]

I was demonstrating that your argument was invalid. If "God does not make mistakes" proves that one disorder does not exist, then it proves that no disorder exists. Which is clearly absurd.

My argument was a reductio ad absurdum, which is a valid method of proving an argument invalid.

[weegee]

Saudi Arabia is no retreat from child rapists:

2nd Marco Island,Florida Saudi Rapist Flees Country/Court and Police At Odds For Blame

[Houmatt]

Excuse me, but what part of God does not make mistakes do you not understand?

Maybe you will when you stand before Him and be asked to explain why you openly mocked Him like that.

[Arthur McGowan]

I didn't mock God. I pointed out the invalidity of your argument.

God doesn't make mistakes. You did.

[Houmatt]

And how is God being infallible invalid?

[Arthur McGowan]

You aren't a very careful reader. I never said that God makes mistakes.

You said that the disorder of confused sexual identity does not exist because "God does not make mistakes." I pointed out that this is an invalid argument, because if "God does not make mistakes" is proof that one disorder does not exist, then it proves that no disorder exists. But clearly some disorders do exist.

Rather than assert gratuitously that there is no such thing as confusion about sexual identity, it would be more fruitful to try to understand the causes of the disorder. I do think that those who perceive themselves to be trapped in a body of the wrong sex have a disorder, and I do not think that surgically mutilating the body is a legitimate "treatment" for the disorder.

It is helpful to nobody to tell people that they are morally corrupt, when they clearly have a psychological condition for which they are blameless. (There is no way that a six-year-old is to blame for experiencing sexual confusion.)

[MEGoody]

"When I was 11, I told my parents I was a lesbian. They're former hippies and really open-minded, so they were totally supportive."

There's the problem. Took a typical tomboyish girl who was perfectly normal and turned her into a pervert.

What a shame.

[Xenalyte]

"Get those damned, funny-looking ears off your head and get ready for school."

Didn't the glue make your ears itch?

[MEGoody]

"This is why babies are never born with limbs missing, or without sight or hearing, or mentally retarded."

Sure, these things happen. But we don't celebrate them as the transgendered folks want us to celebrate their perversion. (And by the way, these things are generally caused by actions of people somewhere along the way - pollution, inappropriate actions by the doctor, alcohol abuse by the mother during pregnancy and so forth.)

By the way, if someone is born with female genitalia and has the appropriate hormones coursing through their body but they wish they were a boy, they are not a "man in a woman's body." They are a woman who got mentally messed up somewhere along the way. (The same goes for boys who "wish" they were girls.)

God didn't do this to these 'transgendered' people. Other people did things to them, and they allowed the actions of others to pervert them.

[BlackCanary]

Well. I must say I'm disappointed. Most of the conservatives I know are concerned with such things as honor, which does not include insulting one's family or upbringing without giving them a chance to say their piece. Since, as a few other readers have found, my e-mail address may be located through a simple Google search, I would guess that no one here cared enough to give me that chance.

Hello. Samantha Lease here. I'm not going to respond to most of your points. If you believe that your genitalia at birth is all that defines your gender, I know I won't change your mind. I can't take you inside my brain, I can't play my memories back for you like home movies, and mere words will never convince you.

However, while I will not defend myself and my decisions to you, I will defend others around me. First, I was not sexually abused; it is deeply insulting to my parents, my extended family, and anyone else you consider a potential perpetrator to imply that such is the cause of my gender dichotomy.

Second, I am not the child of a single mother. My father is quoted in the Q&A section attached to this article. He and my mother have been married for over two decades.

My mother is not a radical feminist. I was not raised to hate men, nor were women placed on a pedestal. In fact, I was raised in a Christian denomination where women were expected to be homemakers and men were given the greater degree of direct authority. My mother is still a member of that church, but she does break with policy from time to time. While I will be excommunicated if I do not leave voluntarily or cease my transition, simple dissent is not typically punished.

Oh - and despite what I said earlier, I must say one thing in my own defense, though at least some of you see me more as a victim in this regard: I have never been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. In fact, I have only been diagnosed with depression (treated through therapy) and, more recently, gender identity disorder. I have seen therapists off and on since childhood, and each therapist has had a different perspective. At least one of them would have caught it, I'm sure. Despite the differing perspectives, those therapists who later became aware of the gender issues were not surprised.

As for my "agenda"? Frankly I'm surprised that so many conservatives still let their children read Teen People. Aside from the article quoted above, there have recently been pieces on abortion (in which neither of the commentators opposed it, but rather debated the need for parental notification) and other controversial issues. Their liberal streak is clear. If you don't want your kids reading this stuff...well...you're the parent.

And I'll tell you this as well: I attend a private college, so if you're worried about your kids being exposed to a transsexual, you need to worry about that channel as well. Pull your kids out of public school if you want to, but mind where they go afterwards as well.

What it boils down to is this: if you want to clap your hands over your kids' ears and eyes and keep them from hearing about any of this - I'm for it. That's your right as a parent. I think it's a shame, but they're your kids. Remember that, ultimately, for good or ill, YOU'RE the one who prepares them for this world.

[tgslTakoma]

Most of the conservatives I know are concerned with such things as honor, which does not include insulting one's family or upbringing without giving them a chance to say their piece. Since, as a few other readers have found, my e-mail address may be located through a simple Google search, I would guess that no one here cared enough to give me that chance.

Conservatives, and most parents for that matter, are concerned by the moral decay of our society, as evidenced by the TEEN PEOPLE article that I posted here. We are concerned that (our) children are being bombarded from all sides by the messages that aberrant behavior and self mutilation is somehow normal. We are concerned that (our) children are being targeted by sick and twisted (and evil) people who have no love of children, except as objects of their perverted fantasies. We are concerned that these adult perverts are in professions where they have access to our children, and can (and do) try to imprint their perversions on (our) children.

I see that you haven't been here long - that you apparently just joined FR to respond to our commentary on the TEEN PEOPLE article in which you say you are (if you truly are) Samantha Lease, a subject of the article. In answer to the second part of your comment above, at FR we post articles that we feel may be of interest to other FR members. We discuss articles. Sometimes we argue over points made in articles. This is not a "stalking" site, especially as regards someone who has already been victimized as profoundly as you have been by a perverted subsect of our society; and while you may not see it as such right now, I do believe that you are a victim. I hope you can find your way in this world, and that the damage (that I believe has been) already done to your soul will be healed.

[OldSmaj]

Well. I must say I'm disappointed.

So am I, darling, so am I.

I must say I expected better from a troll, but, what the hey, you tried, right?

Right up there in the WGAS category.

[Wolvington]

This is in response to the entire thread.

I would've hoped that in today's age there would be a better and more educated era of acceptance, especially since there are more loving Christians in this country than there was in the beginning.
Instead, I see the same type of "iron fist" religious dogma that caused the protestants to move to this country in the first place.
Nothing I say will change years of thought however. I'm used to this, as I'm used to people berating the jewish community for us killing "The Christ".

[tgslTakoma]

I would've hoped that in today's age there would be a better and more educated era of acceptance, ...

Should we also be more accepting of child abuse, rape, necrophilia, beastiality, murder, cannibalism?

Why can't we have (and voice) a negative opinion of aberrant behavior and of those "professionals" and other perverts who wish to indoctrinate our children in an attempt to normalize this aberrant behavior?

[Zekk]

[***QUOTE***]I must say I expected better from a troll, but, what the hey, you tried, right?[***/QUOTE***]

She isn't a troll. She posts on another forum and has been (over time) describing her feelings and such. I'm not saying that I necessarily support her choices, just verifying that infact she is NOT a troll.

Also, I'm a little disheartened by the lack of acceptance I've seen here. You don't have to agree with what someone is doing, but you should love them anyway. Just because someone is different from your perception of a good person, doesn't mean you're right, or that they are a deviant.

Now just to clarify, I do not condone what Samantha has done, but do I have to? The answer to that question quite simply is NO. What I say won't change her mind, neither will what she says change mine, but I can agree to disagree, leave it at that, and still be a friend.

But to outright condemn a person and their family simply because they are different is wrong, plain and simple. Organizations who did this include the Nazis, and the KKK. As a conservative, I hope that those of you who have in essence persecuted Samantha and those with similar situations will realize that you give all level headed conservatives a bad rap.

I am going to leave off by restating that I do not agree with the transgender issues. I am merely pointing out that it is not my place (nor any humans) to condemn another.

[tgslTakoma]

Funny that a third new member would sign on today, and all three of you would cry us the same river about the lack of acceptance and so-called "persecution" of the guy who thinks he wants to be a girl.

BlackCanary, if he/she is to be believed, claims to be Samantha Lease; and he's all upset because nobody here bothered to find his email address via an internet search of his name... he's upset because we didn't bother to contact him.

Now, if we are, as you assert, "persecuting" him, doesn't that require some contact with him? If we haven't communicated with him, how are we persecuting him? What? Voicing our opinions in this online forum... that he had to have done his own internet search on his name in order to have found it in the first place... is persecuting him?

Sorry, kiddo. That dog won't hunt. But thanks for sharing.

[Wolvington]

"Should we also be more accepting of child abuse, rape, necrophilia, beastiality, murder, cannibalism?"

Hardly comparative.

"FreeRepublic"

I guess there is a different definition of Freedom around here.

"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

With that statement placed, one would assume that bigotry against sexual identity isn't included. A shame really. My guess is people need to hate something. Since racism is taboo these days, the next logical target would be those that do not fit inside the sexual stigma. This is the same kind of hate and bigotry.

Nothing I or anyone else says will change what you think. Just remember the golden rule: "Treat others as you wish to be treated."