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Supreme Court Strikes Down Gay Sex [sic] Ban
Associated Press ^ | 6/26/2003 | ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 06/26/2003 8:57:35 AM PDT by traditionalist

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To: AntiGuv
it held a rather high status throughout the Classical Greek city states (well documented for Athens, Thebes, Sparta, Elis, Corinth, and well, basically the statement applies in some fashion to all of them)

... demonstrating once more the 'propping up' that that practice required in the 'popular' press at the time ...

41 posted on 06/26/2003 1:08:30 PM PDT by _Jim (The MOTHERLOAD of conspiracy writings - http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Links.htm)
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To: igotfreedom
"2. Sexual deviate conduct shall not be permitted by any law.

I happen to like deviant sex as does my wife.

Buzz

42 posted on 06/26/2003 1:14:14 PM PDT by Buzzcook
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
In what state, any state, is Necrophilia legal?!?!
I can't believe that for a second.

Get a copy of "Stiff" by Mary Roach.
It's currently on the Amazon non fiction best seller list.

So9

43 posted on 06/26/2003 1:15:30 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: republicman
IMO the government ought to stay ought of consensual sexual matters, even if they are disgusting.
BUT This was not a constitutional decision, this was a personal opinion. And the court has no right to issue personal opinions about what should and shouldn't be law.
Today the justices did what Roe v Wade did, they took the right of states to make their laws (the tenth amendment) and trashed it, because they PERSONALLY thought there ought not be such laws.

I argee completely.
This is bad Constitutional Law striking down a stupid State Law.

So9

44 posted on 06/26/2003 1:27:02 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
After 800 replies, don't you think it's time for a new thread?
45 posted on 06/26/2003 1:41:39 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: igotfreedom
I propose two constitutional amendments forthwith. 1. Race shall not be considered by a state in the granting of any right or privlege. 2. Sexual deviate conduct shall not be permitted by any law.

But you are missing the point which is that the Supremes can turn any language on it's head on any basis which seems "compelling" to them and thus amendments no longer offer us any protection. They are USURPERS, plain and simple.

46 posted on 06/26/2003 2:33:04 PM PDT by Theophilus (The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
--This is bad Constitutional Law striking down a stupid State Law.--

Exactly. And it wasn't even necessary, most states used to have these laws, now almost none do, and most that do don't enforce.
47 posted on 06/26/2003 4:40:51 PM PDT by republicman
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To: DAnconia55
"I could ask WHERE you get your moral instruction that more than one wife is 'immoral'"

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Notice wife is singular.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Matthew 19:5 - And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Matthew 19:6 - Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Mark 10:8 - And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

1 Corinthians 6:16 - What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Ephesians 5:31 - For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

It's true that some of the Biblical patriarchs had multiple wives. But in almost every case the bible points out the problems that occurred as a result. Both the long history of Arab/Israeli wars as well as the destruction of Solomon's temple can be linked back to the problem of multiple wives.

48 posted on 06/26/2003 4:54:15 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
"I could ask WHERE you get your moral instruction that more than one wife is 'immoral'" Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I'll skip belaboring the point here. Reading of that text could be interpeted that way, but others allowed for multiple wives throughout the Bible.

However, just because it is believed immoral by some religions does not give you a right to codify it into law.

And for the record : Anyone who wants two wives needs his head examined.

49 posted on 06/26/2003 6:56:32 PM PDT by DAnconia55 (and not the little one...)
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To: DAnconia55
"Reading of that text could be interpeted that way, but others allowed for multiple wives throughout the Bible. "

The immorality of multiple wives was indeed tolerated. Laws were even prescribed to handle it. The same way divorce was tolerated and laws were prescribed to handle that.

But the Bible is clear. It's only because of the hardness of men's hearts, that it was tolerated.

50 posted on 06/26/2003 6:59:13 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DAnconia55
"However, just because it is believed immoral by some religions does not give you a right to codify it into law. "

Communities have that right to codify it and anything else their citizens desire into law. The only exceptions are those specified protected rights that the states agreed to allow the Federal Government to insure for all it's citizens when they joined the Union.

Texas was well within their rights. It was the Supreme court that did not have the right to interfere with Texas law.

51 posted on 06/26/2003 7:02:39 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
It was the Supreme court that did not have the right to interfere with Texas law.

See : 14th Amendment.

52 posted on 06/26/2003 7:43:31 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DannyTN
But the Bible is clear. It's only because of the hardness of men's hearts, that it was tolerated.

Just in case you missed it, the Bible isn't the supreme law of the US.

And like I said, I'm not exactly a polygamist.

You'd have to pay me. A lot. And arrange a generous (solo) vacation package.

53 posted on 06/26/2003 7:45:00 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
These would be the same people ho would disapprove of Utah legalizing polygamy, and would demand that the Feds do something about it.
54 posted on 06/26/2003 7:45:33 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (Winning flame wars on the net is like winning a medal at the Special Olympics)
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To: DAnconia55
"Just in case you missed it, the Bible isn't the supreme law of the US. "

No doubt. What influence it had appears to be waning fast. But it is where the majority of our citzenry to the extent that they get moral education get it from.

55 posted on 06/26/2003 7:47:50 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DAnconia55
See : 14th Amendment

Strange how every single state had sodomy laws on its books at the time the 14th Amendment was ratified, and not one of the framers of the amendment believed it to prevent states from having such laws. I guess O'Conner and the rest of the bunch think they know the meaning of the 14th Amendment better than the very same people who wrote it and ratified it.

56 posted on 06/28/2003 7:32:14 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
These would be the same people ho would disapprove of Utah legalizing polygamy, and would demand that the Feds do something about it.

Before a state is admitted to the union, Congress must approve its constitution. One of the conditions for approval for Utah was that it outlaw polygamy. Congress was well within its rights under the U.S. constitution to make such a demand.

Besides, Utah has been doing a pretty good job prosecuting polygamists, so the issue of the Feds coming in is moot.

57 posted on 06/28/2003 7:36:10 AM PDT by traditionalist
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