[Pahuanui]

Look at the growth curve of government in the late '50s and '60s. It takes off. Match that up with out-of-wedlock birth rates, crime, drug use, STD's and so on.

Stunning. I'm curious, are you familiar with statistics and how to interpret them?

The libertarian party didn't cause that. Moral libertarianism did.

Oh, I see.

So are you claiming that 'moral libertarianism' and 'libertarian social ideas' are the same thing? Is so, please detail exactly how they are equivalent and how 'libertarian social ideas' have were in any way in effect in the 1950s and 60s.

If not, please clarify the differences and why first it was one and now it is the other.

[aristeides]

Libertarians may pretty much all disapprove of sodomy laws. I would hazard the guess that there are many of them who do not approve of the reasoning of today's decision.