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To: puroresu
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union also, as I recall, had strict laws governing sexual behavior. (Hitler sent gays to death camps.) So much for your theory that libertine sexual conduct and repressive government go hand in hand. (And both of these example sprang from Judeo-Christian cultures.)
1,662 posted on 06/27/2003 7:35:43 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: Redcloak
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union also, as I recall, had strict laws governing sexual behavior. (Hitler sent gays to death camps.) So much for your theory that libertine sexual conduct and repressive government go hand in hand. (And both of these example sprang from Judeo-Christian cultures.)

Nazism was founded on occult/homoerotic/Neitzche-esque/Greco-militarism. They infiltrated the Christian churches (which were under the control of the gov't) and put pro-Nazis in charge. The Nazis did NOT kill homosexuals in death camps; on the contrary, a huge proportion of them were pederasts of all kinds. Read the truth of Nazism and its deep connection with homosexuality in Scott Lively's "Pink Swastika". It can be read in its entirety online:

http://www.abidingtruth.com/

1,666 posted on 06/27/2003 8:46:17 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Redcloak
I didn't say it wasn't possible for a nation to have conservative laws governing sexual behavior and be oppressive. I said it wasn't necessary. No doubt there are oppressive Moslem nations that are sexually conservative. However, the United States was sexually conservative until the past forty years or so. It hardly qualified as a dicatatorship, or anything near it. Were we living in some kind of despotism in 1960 because abortion and sodomy were illegal? We had a good balance between liberty and common sense.

And how, pray tell, do you classify Naziism and Communism as springing out of Judeo-Christian culture? They're no more a part of Judeo-Christian culture than modern American "liberalism" is. They arose in opposition to the established culture and managed to supplant it for a time. How is Naziism, which persecuted and exterminated Jews, a part of JUDEO-Christian culture? For that matter, Nazis were even indifferent toward Christianity. Communism was militantly atheist, and persecuted Jews and Christians as well. How is that something that "sprang" from Judeo-Christian culture?

My point was that sexual libertinism creates a climate in which government power expands. Conservatives know this, which is one reason we oppose sexual libertinism. "Liberals" know it as well, which is why they promote the gay agenda, legalized abortion, etc.. Do you think Hillary and Schumer favor yesterday's sodomy ruling because they want to get government off out backs? No, they favor it because it opens up many new opportunities to expand government power and restrict actual constitutional liberties.

The only people who don't know that sexual libertinism expands government power are libertarians, which is why the "liberals" trick you every time into supporting federal power grabs by disguising them as "anti-government".

Just open your eyes and look around you. Has government gotten smaller as we've become more sexually "tolerant" these past four decades or so? How about in Canada? Sweden? Holland? Britain? The European Union? The more sexually "liberal" we become, the more expansive the government will get. The pathologies unleashed on society by "libertinism" create a constant need and demand for government.

In addition, people start thinking that actual rights such as free speech, gun rights, and property rights are unimportant compared to "abortion rights" or trumped up "privacy rights". So government slowly takes your real rights away, and like soma-induced dupes, people think they're free because they can screw around and get free abortions.


1,668 posted on 06/27/2003 9:31:49 PM PDT by puroresu
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