[puroresu]

Well, I hope very much that you're a young person and are alive and well in forty years to see the final consequences of all this. You'll see the short term consequences (demand for still more laws to suppress opposition to homosexuality) soon enough. In the meantime, look across the ocean to the "sexually libertine but not very free" European Union for a glimpse at our future.

And no, increased problems for socialized medicine won't lead to government getting out of the socialized medicine business.

Unless and until libertarians stop being manipulated by "liberals" into supporting big government as a way of limiting small government, we'll continue down this same path.

[fooman]

I hate fighting with people I agree with so much. Its like clockwerk orange where the government takes over everything to give people 'rights'.

Thats what kills me. Its not like we are argueing with DUers here.

[Dead Corpse]

And no, increased problems for socialized medicine won't lead to government getting out of the socialized medicine business.

It would if enough of us voted for them to. Face it. You like your version of "conservative socialism" just fine.

If you morons would wake up and listen to the libertarians solution to these problems... we wouldn't be having this dicussion.