RIAA To Sue Individual's for File Sharing (This could mean you!!!!)

Miami Herald ^ | 06/25/2003 | Ted Bridis

[Calpernia]

>>>No, but that's because this is a particular scenario that was covered by a particular (and very famous) case in the Supreme Court many years ago. This was deemed fair use, based on a premise called "time-shifting" that applies to this specific scenario. It has no relevance to music downloads.

Wouldn't this cover recording from the radio?

[Lafayette]

Actually the problem is, as always, the Congress of the United States doing whatever the hell it wants. The Constitution grants the Congress the right to protect the works of authors and inventors for a "Limited time." Bought off by the likes of Disney (Mickey Mouse), Congress has progressively increased the duration of the protection until it is no longer "Limited." Stupid Bastards! Orwell was right. The pigs will take over, and you're obviously one of them. [I hardly ever flame, but I'll make an exception since you are so blatantly biased.]

[DB]

Personally I think your in the clear as long as when you do find out others have broken in to your server you attempt to further protect its contents.

I have a music file server. It is also my internet server. I have a firewall and other protections to keep hackers out of it.

[Golden Eagle]

The government will literally have to pry my non-DRM computer out of my dead hands because they will have to murder me to sieze it.

They have no intention of doing that - your sensationalism is extreme. To accuse me of treason is even more absurd.

[prisoner6]

COME AND GET ME COPPER!

TOP O' THE WORLD MA! TOP O' THE WORLD!

prisoner6

[Calpernia]

I would buy a CD; if there were any of value. There aren't. I stopped buying records/cassettes/CDs when the talented started declining.

[Calpernia]

Now, let's use that statement you made and look at cover bands. Don't the replay music? Things that make you go hmmm!

[Old Professer]

Boy, aren't we testy?

As I read through this thread, I find varying opinions on the rightness or wrongness of "sharing" music (?), but the greater fascination lies in the strident tenor of the posters who seem to be made up of those who feel they have a personal stake in the subject at hand and those who genuinely wonder what all the fuss is about.

Overall, the rudeness of the totalitarian set resonates discordantly.

Next to mucking stalls, shoveling stale hubris is the suckingest© task in the world.

[Dr Warmoose]

Personally I think your in the clear as long as when you do find out others have broken in to your server you attempt to further protect its contents.

So basically, what new rights are given to RIAA is such where if a person were to leave their wallet lying on the ground and it was stolen, it would not be the person who took it's fault, but the crime of "theft" would be instead charged to the wallet's owner. Likewise, leaving the keys in the car ignition would subject the car owner to being arrested and charged with grand theft auto if some kid jumped in and drove the car to a chop shop, also in this case the kid would never be apprehended nor charged. And as one last example, the new legal theory that must be made for RIAA to accomplish this vigillante justice is that a woman should be charged with felony rape if some young thug decides to take advantage of her.

Brave new world.

[Golden Eagle]

To be proud of a second-rate product because your country made it is more absurd.

Than accusing me of treason? No it's not. Because in the post righ before it you accused me of being nationalist. Fact is, you have no answers other than personal attacks on my credibility.

Concerning the rest of your comments, nothing more than libertarian extremism, whereby you continue your barage on America and quote "our government, our military, and our citizenry".

Again, if you have such a problem with us all, why don't you just leave?

[Michael Barnes]

RIAA is going to get the info by "sniffing" the major networks (Verizon, AOL, yada) on tcp port 1214 (Or demanding the carriers do teh sniffinf and turn over the logs). They can identify back the users on those ports back to their IP's and check for the amount of traffic a particualar IP address is using. From their, it's a matter of homing in on the IP and the IP/user correlation. They don't need to go into anyone's box. The p2p'er, if offering up anything is going to broadcast what it has anyway. They'll move down the run. Eventually, they'll start hitting the folks with a couple hundred mp3's, but for the most part, they'll go after the ones with large libraries.

The p2p network on 1214 is an easy hit. I'm wondering how their going to combat underground FTP servers, torrents, ogg servers and the likes.

[Calpernia]

OH! Now let's add onto this, the wav and midi files out their that make "elevator music" out of peoples songs.

These are free downloads. So why are they different than mp3?

Matter of fact, I lied on this thread earlier. I said I downloaded one song. According to the language here this evening, it is illegal (well, said to be) to download MP3 files.

The song I downloaded is a wav :)

It is an actually song; but, in wav format.

So, that makes it ok? Right? And if not, what about the elevator versions? I'm listening to one right now :)

Isn't the elevator version much like a cover band? So where do we stop with this law?

[Calpernia]

OR, if you login on a major server; then JUST download to a not so known server and store your files there! Simple :)

[DB]

No.

Under any copyright you don't "own" the work you own the right to use it under the terms of the copyright.

If you borrow your neighbor's car you could leave his keys on the sidewalk as well. But if it is stolen you failed to take reasonable care of his property and therefore legally share in the responsibility of it being stolen. You have an obligation to take reasonable care of someone else's property in your care. This is well established case law.

[Michael Barnes]

your still doing the tango in the p2p domain though..ALl that traffic (searches, requests, etc..), all that data can be captured. So saving it elsewhere won't really help. Your p2p client is still doing the brunt of the work, and it's a chirpy little thing on the network.

[Calpernia]

I disagree. I would explain; but, I'm off to bed. Have a goodnight :) Maybe I'll come back and give details on how to do this tomorrow....OR...better yet, maybe I'll make it an ebook and auction it on ebay. hmmm. ciao.

[Golden Eagle]

Just wait until a group of hardcore P2P pirates find a way for John Q. Citizen to tunnel his Kazaa activities over SSH

Apparently no extremes you're not willing to go to to perpetuate your thievery.