[ultima ratio]

Gays want the moral sanction of the state. That is what this is all about. They already have the freedom to live together. They might even have the right of a legal partnership as in Vermont. But they want more in Canada: they want moral sanction of their lifestyle, they want everybody else to accept their vision of what's moral. By imposing this, they are violating everybody else's freedom.

[gcruse]

Gays want the moral sanction of the state. That is what this is all about.

     Which is what everybody else has.  I have no problem with it.
     The same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.

 They already have the freedom to live together.
They might even have the right of a legal partnership
as in Vermont. But they want more in Canada:
 they want moral sanction of their lifestyle,

           I really don't know why this upsets you so.  Who really cares?
           Government doesn't bestow moralness, it can only dispense rights
           and privileges.  Whether it is meet for one group to look down its
           nose at another gets into a pettiness not worth discussing, but
           denying one group the rights and privileges of citizenship is another
           matter.

 they want everybody else to accept their vision of what's moral. By imposing this, they are violating everybody else's freedom.

         And social conservatives want everybody to accept their vision of what is moral.
         What counts is what gets enacted into law.  And making the benefits of citizenship
         available to all law abiding citizens would seem beyond discussion.  And certainly
         not a catastrophe.

[Theosis]

Ultima Ratio wrote: "Gays want the moral sanction of the state. That is what this is all about. They already have the freedom to live together. They might even have the right of a legal partnership as in Vermont. But they want more in Canada: they want moral sanction of their lifestyle, they want everybody else to accept their vision of what's moral. By imposing this, they are violating everybody else's freedom.

Exactly! And in so doing, they have circumvented the electoral process and subverted thousands of years of cross-cultural tradition to the ivory basement judiciary that now effectively runs this nation. Which is why you folks south of the border need to begin organizing a constitutional ammendment to protect marriage ASAP.