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Implications of [Kansas Atty Gen]Kline's teen abortion opinion stir debate
The Kansas City Star ^ | Friday, June 20, 2003 | BRAD COOPER and JOHN A. DVORAK

Posted on 06/20/2003 5:39:19 AM PDT by TroutStalker

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To: RAT Patrol
The funniest thing in Hendricks' column is in the second paragraph where he claims to be mature. LOL!

Not that I'm mature either but at least I recognize it.
21 posted on 06/20/2003 4:32:58 PM PDT by axel f
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To: axel f; RAT Patrol; TroutStalker
The liberal elite in KS is on a mission to destroy Phil Kline. Last year, Kline narrowly beat RAT Chris Biggs for the KS Attorney General. In retaliation, the trial lawyer allies of Chris Biggs formed a watchdog group called HAWK (Hundreds of Attorneys Watching Kline) as a way of monitoring the "extreme right-wing" activities of Kline. HAWK must be hard at work these days. The articles on this thread sound like HAWK press releases.
22 posted on 06/20/2003 4:56:41 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Lorianne
as reported by the Wichita Eagle, SRS statistics show that 2/3 of the babies born to girls UNDER the age of 16 are fathered by men OVER the age of 18. IF we enforced the laws, the teen pregnancy rate would drop.
23 posted on 06/20/2003 5:13:21 PM PDT by eccentric
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To: eccentric
I agree. Not only that, but teens would be better protected from predatory adults.
24 posted on 06/20/2003 5:15:19 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Kuksool
That's right. And they nailed him pretty good for hiring his nephew as a personal driver. But of course they distorted many of the facts. Now, I can say that I'm curious why he hired (or allowed to be hired) his nephew when he knew that were just looking for dirt, real or imagined. But, this griping about his nephew having a DUI in his past is very hypocritical. All of the state media gave Bill Clinton a pass -- even on credible rape allegations. Even more similarly, here in the KC metro area, a MO legislator is actually taking off time to enter treatment for alcoholism. The KCStar thought she was so brave and honest and worthy of keeping her job. hmmm...Kline's nephew is a kid who made some big mistakes and doesn't deserve a break or a job (how unforgiving). Yet a democrat representative can be a stumbling drunk and still be worthy of her elected position.
25 posted on 06/20/2003 7:11:54 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol; Kuksool; Mercat
Here's Concerned Women for America of Kansas' take on this...

Concerned Women for America of Kansas Says Teens Should Be Protected From Sexual Abuse

Topeka, Kansas: In a recent article (KC Star, June 19th)Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri stated they would ignore Attorney-General Phill Kline's opinion that abortion providers should notify the state when girls under 16 seek an abortion. The Attorney-General's opinion was based on the fact that children under sixteen are often subject to sexual abuse by older men. Planned Parenthood says they report cases of sexual abuse, yet on some abortion provider websites young girls are encouraged to come to them so that nobody need find out about their pregnancy. [http://www.aidforwomen.com/minor.htm]

Older men exploit young teens that then use the easy availability of abortion to cover up the "evidence" of the crime. Young girls who are panicked that the discovery of their pregnancy will uncover the abuse or they are being threatened by the abuser find ready accomplices in abortion clinics.

Judy Smith, CWA of Kansas State Director, says, "Abortion-rights advocates often proclaim their concern for women; yet they are providing abusers a way to cover up the ugly secret of their abuse by encouraging youngster to circumvent the law. In Maricopa County, Arizona, Planned Parenthood was found negligent for failing to report a 13-year-old's abortion to the Child Protective Services, where she was in foster care. She had been having a sexual relationship with her 23-year-old foster brother. Planned Parenthood did not notify the authorities until the girl returned six months later for another abortion.

Does anybody honestly feel that a thirteen-year-old can give informed consent for sexual activities with an older man? Allowing pedophiles and predators this subterfuge has the potential for grave consequences for young girls who need the full protection of the law against these predators.

Attorney-General Kline is right to insist that abortion providers follow the law; the laws in Kansas are quite clear about sexual abuse and sexual exploitation of minors. The Attorney-General's job is to see that the laws are enforced. Philosophies about abortion are not the issue here. It is about protecting young girls and enforcing the law. If abortion providers are harboring pedophiles and sexual abusers they should be prosecuted."

Concerned Women for America is the nation's largest public policy women's organization.

26 posted on 06/21/2003 12:54:25 PM PDT by axel f
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
My crystal ball predicts that you will be very lonely on this thread. For the record, I agree with you that this is mind bogglingly stupid, and par for the course for social conservatives.

Were you not formerly known as "One Particular Harbour"?

27 posted on 06/21/2003 1:03:00 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: TroutStalker
What's disgusting is how Kline and his allies in the anti-abortion movement portrayed all this. They pretend the motive is to protect minors from abuse.
Give me a break.

Here's a clue for the mister hendricks: if an abortion is performed on a female under the age of sixteen, at least one individual human being is targeted for death at the hands of a serial killer (the abortionist) and the older individual is at risk of complications fromt he 'surgery'. If that by God is not evidence of abuse of at least one individual human life (and likely at least two), mister hendricks is a god-king.

28 posted on 06/21/2003 1:10:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
... at least for DNA testing!
29 posted on 06/21/2003 1:14:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
DNA testing could easily eliminate suspects. It's not guess work like it used to be. Hey, if it were my kid (and I were a man), I'd be more than happy to provide a DNA sample. The kid is likely to be embarrassed and unable to address the issue on her own. What's wrong with parents these days?
30 posted on 06/21/2003 2:03:35 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: TroutStalker
Hey, could you add me to your ping list please. It might be the list that originated with me, therefore my name is not on it. Thanks.
31 posted on 06/21/2003 2:04:35 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
I think you're right about that. Thanks for letting me know; you've been added.
32 posted on 06/22/2003 6:15:06 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: RAT Patrol
Did you read the two "guest columns" in the KC Red Star that dealt with this topic?
33 posted on 06/26/2003 7:40:06 AM PDT by axel f
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To: axel f
I didn't. I've been avoiding the Star lately. They're a bunch of sick verbal thugs. I can only take so much of it.

Let me guess, both guests took the liberal view?

34 posted on 06/26/2003 8:26:15 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
I'll let you read for yourself.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/news/local/states/kansas/counties/johnson_county/cities_neighborhoods/olathe/6161860.htm

Posted on Wed, Jun. 25, 2003

Guest Column: Kline slips his agenda into legal opinion

When people are barred from getting in through the front door, they often try to sneak in the back. That applies to a burglar breaking into your house -- and a politician trying to bend the laws to fit his or her personal agenda.

Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline recently released a legal opinion that makes me wonder if he's trying to sneak his agenda through the back door.

Kline, an opponent of abortion, stated last week that abortion providers should notify the state when girls younger than 16 seek the procedure. Such cases constitute evidence of abuse, Kline wrote in a legal opinion, because Kansas laws ban sexual relations involving young teens.

Therefore, according to Kline, anyone younger than 16 who is pregnant must be a potential victim of abuse, which must be reported. On the surface, this sounds logical. But the true ramifications of Kline's opinion go much deeper.

It all started when another staunch opponent of abortion, state Sen. Mark Gilstrap of Kansas City, asked the attorney general to opine on what circumstances a doctor who performs abortions would have to report suspicions that a minor was a victim of sexual abuse or rape.

Kansas already has a straightforward law requiring doctors to report suspected sexual abuse, so the question was a no-brainer.

What Gilstrap did, however, was throw open the back door to let Kline race in. The attorney general took a well-intended state law and twisted it.

According to Kline's response, a young girl seeking an abortion, even with state-required parental notification, must now contend with the doctor reporting her to state officials so they can investigate for sexual abuse.

Kline has hyped his opinion as a stand against abuse. In reality, he is sneaking his well-publicized personal agenda through the back door.

Carrying Kline's logic -- or illogic -- further, anyone younger than 16 in Kansas who ends up pregnant is guilty of breaking a state law. There are no gray areas when it comes to pregnancy. You're either pregnant or you're not, and if you are, then you must be guilty. The baby's father is guilty, too. And they could be investigated for sexual abuse.

Does this also mean that a drug store cashier must notify the state sex police when a 15-year-old boy heeds the much-publicized campaigns about safe sex and attempts to purchase condoms? Does a pharmacist call the sex police when a 15-year-old girl attempts to fill her prescription for birth-control pills?

Is a teacher supposed to contact the sex police if he suspects a student younger than 16 of having sex? My wife teaches junior high, and she would probably end up reporting a high percentage of her students to the state.

And Kline's opinion certainly discourages young people from seeing their doctor if they suspect they have a sexually transmitted disease. Following Kline's logic, they could be subjected to an investigation of sexual abuse.

The state's social services employees are already overworked and have a difficult enough time keeping up with true abuse of our children. Kline apparently wants to dump 15-year-olds with overactive hormones into the laps of state investigators, too. Under the cover of protecting children from sexual abuse, Kline's anti-abortion agenda sneaks in through the back door.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I trust those who are open and honest about their opinions and agendas. Kline, in my opinion, is being neither open nor honest.

Instead of touting his strong stand against child abuse, Kline should admit that he's trying to prevent abortions. Equally important, Kline should think through the vast ramifications of his legal opinion instead of putting on blinders and looking only at his personal agenda.

Steve Eddy is a former Olathe City Council member and president of a local security company. Send your thoughts to olathecomments@kcstar.com .

35 posted on 06/26/2003 8:51:33 AM PDT by axel f
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To: RAT Patrol
Veiled intentions

By LAURA SCOTT

The Kansas City Star

Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline is one of those masterful politicians who can make his point of view sound right, even though he is dead wrong.

Take the latest example. Advised, no doubt, by his anti-abortion hires in the attorney general's office, Kline has issued a legal opinion that makes it appear he is protecting teenagers from rapists and abusers.

But he really is trying to discourage young women from seeking abortions. And, whether intended or not, his opinion will also discourage sexually active teenagers from seeking birth control or medical care for sexually transmitted diseases.

Kline's interpretation of Kansas law is that doctors -- and other health care professionals and school officials -- must report evidence of teenagers having sex to the authorities as child abuse.

He relies on a Kansas law that says even consensual sex with a child younger than 16 is a crime. So, if it is criminal, the opinion goes, it constitutes abuse that must be reported, as required by law. His opinion affects anyone who is mandated by law to report indications of abuse.

Medical professionals say their practice has been to report evidence of legitimate abuse, as they are required to do.

Kline's opinion likely would make many young people decide not to seek medical care because they would fear it no longer would be treated confidentially. It also would jeopardize parents' involvement in their sexually active children's choices. Kids won't want to tell if they know a state child-abuse investigator will be on their doorstep if they do.

State Sen. David Adkins, a Leawood Republican, says the ruling even puts at risk parents who take their teenager to a doctor for treatment of a sexually transmitted disease or pregnancy. They potentially could be charged with conspiracy or obstruction of justice for trying to destroy evidence of a crime, he says.

That is how far some "creative prosecutors with an evangelical bent" may take Kline's interpretation of Kansas law, Adkins says.

It is difficult to find fault with the rationale that many teenagers are victims even when they consent to sex. This had to be the thinking of Kansas lawmakers when they passed the statutory rape law.

Teenage girls often are manipulated by older men who seek sexual favors, for instance. If a 29-year-old man is having sex with a 14-year-old girl, isn't that child abuse? Many of us would say yes.

But what about consensual sex between two teenagers? And what about cases where a girl gets pregnant and her parents do not want her to continue the pregnancy? (Kansas law requires parental notification before a minor can have an abortion).

In a letter to the Editorial Board of this newspaper, Kline defended himself.

"I am not seeking to prosecute consensual teen sex, nor do I have the resources to focus on such conduct," he wrote. "This does not change, however, that Kansas law makes such conduct illegal..."

Some say his arguments make a case for changing the statutory rape law. But that might not be a good idea. Sexual exploitation of children should be against the law. In cases of consensual teen sex, the question for most people is the age of the sex partner, which is a factor that's difficult to legislate.

Kline says that the law already provides lesser penalties if a teenager is the perpetrator.

Unfortunately, Kansas may need a judicial ruling on whether the law says abuse cases must be reported when there is reason to suspect that a child has been "injured." Or whether it means what Phill Kline says it does.

One thing is certain: If everyone follows the attorney general's line on this, increased numbers of sexually active young people will avoid adult guidance and help.

The result will be more unwanted teenage pregnancies and more children giving birth to children. Talk about child abuse. That can't be what most Kansans want.

To reach Laura Scott, assistant editorial page editor, call (816) 234-4452 or send e-mail to lascott@kcstar.com .

36 posted on 06/26/2003 8:56:00 AM PDT by axel f
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To: axel f
Laura Scott is not a guest. She's one of the regular smuggers.
37 posted on 06/26/2003 9:00:37 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
I knew that. I screwed up. My fault. Sorry.

I was pretty happy to see that Ann Coulter made fun of the Star in her book. hehe
38 posted on 06/26/2003 9:09:33 AM PDT by axel f
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To: axel f
In her new book? Cool.
39 posted on 06/26/2003 9:28:40 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: AdA$tra
I hope you're being sarcastic.
40 posted on 07/13/2003 12:58:18 PM PDT by lagamorph
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