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To: DestroyEraseImprove
So we can't seperate 1990's Serbia from Milosevic any more than we can Stalin from Russia or any number of other despots from their countries - it is what it is, DEI. Serbia followed Milosevic's policies, and it was Serbs who were acting as the sharp end of Milosevic's stick in the neighborhood.

So yes, Serbia is going to go down in the history books as the bete noire of the Balkans in the 1990's - but that outcome was determined by the Serbs themselves in places like Vukovar, Srebrenica, and Racak - not in the Pentagon.

It's time for you to accept some responsibility for what Milosevic did in your name, DEI.

As to the Serbs outside of Serbia, they made their choices, and have forfeited the chance to attempt the same for at least a generation. If they still feel like joining Serbia is in their best interst in 50 years or so, and they can convince the countries they live in that it is in their best interest to go, then there is a chance they may succeed.

But I will tell you this, DEI, any attempts to change international borders through use of force will result in more of the same of what happened in the 1990's. It didn't work this time around, and it won't work in the future.

83 posted on 06/23/2003 9:35:52 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Serbia followed Milosevic's policies, and it was Serbs who were acting as the sharp end of Milosevic's stick in the neighborhood.

So yes, Serbia is going to go down in the history books as the bete noire of the Balkans in the 1990's - but that outcome was determined by the Serbs themselves in places like Vukovar, Srebrenica, and Racak - not in the Pentagon.

The outcome was predetermined by the 'great powers' and there will be a lot of 'revisionist' history. Unfortunately for you, I guess, but there will allways be people seeking the truth and not the Hague's version of history.

As to the Serbs outside of Serbia, they made their choices, and have forfeited the chance to attempt the same for at least a generation. If they still feel like joining Serbia is in their best interst in 50 years or so, and they can convince the countries they live in that it is in their best interest to go, then there is a chance they may succeed.

But I will tell you this, DEI, any attempts to change international borders through use of force will result in more of the same of what happened in the 1990's. It didn't work this time around, and it won't work in the future.

You miss the big picture here and I assume you do so intentionally. The first attempt to change international borders through use of force was made by the violent secession of Croatia and Bosnia, assisted by outside recognition (aggression through recognition). Only after this, the Serbs proclaimed their own secession from these illegal statelets and I repeat, they did so in response. Why do you say the Serbs should try to insist on their right to self-determination 50 years later on? What will change in 50 years? Why wasn't it possible for Croatia and Bosnia to let the Serbs go, in the same way it was possible for Yugoslavia to let Slovenia and Macedonia go? So the Serbs can exercise their right to self-determination in 50 years, why couldn't they have done that at the begining of the 1990's? That would have prevented a lot off bloodshed. But hell no, Germany and the US didn't like it? Why should the Serbs convince anyone to grant them their rights they have fought and died for, for decades and centuries? Should they ask the Neo-Ustasa's in Zagreb and the Islamofascists in Sarajevo for permission? My a$$!

But I will tell you this, DEI, any attempts to change international borders through use of force will result in more of the same of what happened in the 1990's. It didn't work this time around, and it won't work in the future.

It did work for the Ustasas and Islamofascists and this is the hypocrisy and the doublestandard I will never accept, no matter what your history books will tell.

85 posted on 06/23/2003 10:22:51 AM PDT by DestroyEraseImprove
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