An INSANE situation up in Waltham, Massachusetts

Conservative Alerts.Com ^ | Chuck Muth

[devane617]

No one should force them to take the tests, but the parents should want to know how well their education stacks up against other kids.

[ccmay]

That number not to call again to reach Susan Etscovitz is (781) 641-8500

Also, please don't call the 24 hour hot line at 617-231-4882, or 800-792-5200 inside Massachusetts. They don't (yet) know the story of the Bryants and the commissar of childrens' propaganda who is harrassing them. They'd be very annoyed if anybody called.

-ccm

[Hank Kerchief]

We are, if you do not know this by now, a nation of laws. Without them, total chaos and self interests impose on the rights of others.

So your saying, if it were not for laws, you would impose on the rights of others and act in ways that would create chaos. Is, that right?

If you are not saying this, how do you assume this will automatically happen? Oh, I get it. You would not presume to step on anyone else's rights and create chaos, even if there were no laws, but others would. Is that right?

As for, everyone has their secret agenda, we appreciate the warning. (You do speak for yourself.)

Hank

[ccmay]

There are several thousand too many laws, today, followed by hundreds of thousands of policy rules, local statutes, etc.

Too much Law, not enough Order, says I.

-ccm

[peteram]

Goose-stepping, swastika waving, Nazi people! What a bunch of socialistic fascists!
UNBELIEVABLE!

[ladylib]

Here is a follow up on the story. It seems the court date has been postponed indefinitely. The Massanazis are probably confused about what to do next:

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/local_regional/walt_bryants06162003.htm

[Courier]

To some, all they need hear is "homeschool" and the implication is of Ward and June Cleaver doing best by the Beaver.

How do you know the parents aren't a couple of psychopaths?

Their making such a big deal out of a simple test makes me lean that way.

I want the State to make sure. Someday these kids are going to be released on all of us. Hopefully well educated and well adjusted, but we need a clue they are going in that direction.

[concerned about politics]

I want the State to make sure. Someday these kids are going to be released on all of us. Hopefully well educated and well adjusted, but we need a clue they are going in that direction.

Why? I'd be more concerned about the uneducated idiots comming out of the public schools.

[GOPrincess]

"How do you know the parents aren't a couple of psychopaths?"

But what happened until innocent until proven guilty? The Founding Fathers didn't design this to be a country where we had to disprove a negative in order to have personal freedom, including the right of parents to direct the upbringing and education of their childre. (I don't go for the driver's license parallel, for the reasons I've stated previously...the testing is often inappropriate and not a true reflection of the child's education and abilities.)

Reading the article it seems to me that these are very caring, hands-on parents. The DSS admits the children are in no way abused (which makes it all the sillier the state has legal custody). You know, a few homeschooled children here and there are going to end up poorly educated. Life isn't perfect. But how many more children coming out of the public school system are poorly educated? With that in mind, and also keeping in mind that any private school students do not have to be tested, it seems to me that giving parents the benefit of the doubt, including the right to direct their children's education as they see fit, is the most appropriate choice.

[Humidston]

>>The government has no business assuming that the parents won't educate their children<<

For the sake of argument, what if the parents REFUSE to educate their children at all? Do they have that right as well? (I say yes.)

[Hank Kerchief]

I want the State to make sure. Someday these kids are going to be released on all of us. Hopefully well educated and well adjusted, but we need a clue they are going in that direction.

Yes of course, because we know all the kids in state schools are tested and we know they are all well educated and well adjusted. The State makes sure of that.

Good grief! ...but then, if the state is where you're getting your clues, that might explain your credulity.

Hank

[wcbtinman]

"We are, if you do not know this by now, a nation of laws."

You need to change your handle to your real name: Rip Van Winkle

[wcbtinman]

"So much BS in America where does it end."

Eventually, and unfortunately, at the end of a gun barrel.

[secretagent]

For the sake of argument, what if the parents REFUSE to educate their children at all? Do they have that right as well? (I say yes.)

Sure. They should at least have equal standing with the "prison prep" schools.

[secretagent]

The function of the public school is to identify intelligence, and then either subvert or destroy it.

Yes.

[GovernmentShrinker]

This is basically a 4th Amendment issue, and should approached that way by the courts. The proposed tests are a form of search, which the government is not authorized to conduct without probable cause. Given that "Both sides agree that the children are in no way abused mentally, physically, sexually or emotionally", and absent any mention that neighbors, local shopkeepers, etc. have been telling authorities that these adolescents can't read, there is no probable cause.

[HaveGunWillTravel]

If the kids do take the test, and do better than the average public school student, do the parents get to hit the school and social service officials for all their trouble? If the kids do better than the beauracrats' children, do the parents get to take custody of the beauracrats' kids? Can I take your kids if they won't take my test?