Is Free Republic too "Republican?"

Jim Robinson

[Buckeroo]

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" ... so our president didn't have to compromise with the enemies of the Constitution." -- Deb

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Ain't that a hoot! The same president that swore in his presidential campaign to not sign any issue concerning CFR. I guess he just forgot what he said, hey?

[FairOpinion]

"The two major political parties are destroying our nation. "

But IMO the way to change that is to move the Republican Party slowly to the right, I think there has already been a shift in that direction under Bush.

By being a third separate "conservative" party/group/whatever and attacking Republicans every time they aren't conservative enough, the net result is to help the Democrats.

"Divide and conquer" was not said for nothing. The Democrats like nothing more than to see the conservatives turning against Republicans and having them cut off their nose to spite their face.

As I sometimes point out, and the "non-Republican conservatives" don't like it, nevertheless it's fact: Clinton was NOT elected by stupid liberals, Clinton was elected by exactly the conservative wing, who "was going to show Bush I" their displeasure by voting for Ross Perot, instead of Bush, and they did. Well, they showed him all right, the net result was 8 years of Clinton, and I don't need to explain what that did to the country.

Now wouldn't it have made more sense to be more tolerant of Republicans and unite against Democrats?

[Buckeroo]

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"I didn't pose a problem about my own ideals. I posed one about yours and people like you who are complaining that when FR uses the "conservative" label, we are falsely advertising our position." -- Jim Robinson

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I never complained about this point of view anywhere upon the internet either in front of open forums or behind closed forum doors.

I suggest, you re-examine your own words about characterizing me on a personal basis; my whole impetus upon a "conservative grassroot's website" is to base dialog upon the Constitution as it was founded a few hundred years ago .... not love a political party (of any name or banner) that mocks it, even when in power of our government.

[Deb]

I don't give a shit about CFR. The Supremes will toss it and Bush knew it. He was smarter than all of you.

If you really cared about Campaign Finance Reform being defeated you wouldn't care how it was done. And if you weren't just a garden variety malcontent, you'd give him credit for taking away the issue from the Democrats and bashing McCain in the head with it.

[kuma]

Sorry if I'm jumping into a conversation I'm not wanted in but here's an answer from me.

**I have a question. What exactly is the definition of a politician "taking my vote for granted" (tmvg)? Does that mean of they don't vote or govern exactly as I would if I were in their place, they are TMVG? Where's the line? 50%? 75%?**

TMVG is when they run on a certain campaign platform that grabs my attention and makes me want to vote for them then turn around and behave differently in office.

Assault Weapons Ban: While not ideal is not that big a deal cause Bush said he would renew it when he was campaigning.

Pro-life: I have no real beef with. He took a stand on Stem Cell Research it could have been stricter but it's more than we've gotten in a long time. Would like to see something on cloning in the future ^_^.

Partial-Birth Abortion: They did good. I've heard some people say the ban has changed nothing as they can still kill the baby in the womb then take it out. Guess this is what an example of Incrementalism would look like.
Santorum gave a stellar performance ^_^.

Patriot Act: Frightening in the hands of Hillary ~_~* I shudder at the thought. Especially if all those FBI file rumors are true. What should we do about this? I know they need to be able to do better surveillance but orm in his campaign and I thought he would take a stronger stand for him. Still I think this was more the RINO Racicot than anybody else. I've still foamed at the mouth though. I'll probably get over it ~_^.

Israel/Pali: Eeesh! I'm really hoping for the Unfolding of the Bush Doctrine. Watching this as Bush while campaigning did say that Israel is our friend and that he doesn't desert friends which we've seen that before and I think there is more going on behind the scenes than we know.

As long as you don't lie to me on the campaign trial I don't bite to bad. BUT I WON'T EVER VOTE FOR BUD SHUSTER!! JUST FORGET THAT RIGHT NOW!

I'm an Independent ^_^.

[ppaul]

Hey, I'd be the first to welcome some conservative Democrats.
Ain't no such animal.

[Buckeroo]

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"Now wouldn't it have made more sense to be more tolerant of Republicans and unite against Democrats?" -- FairOpinion

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No. I say, damn the whole lot of them as they swear upon the Bible to uphold the US Constitution with their right hand while they wave a "King's X" using their fore and middle fingers on their backside using their left hand.

[MCH]

Keep the "independent" label - and the Republican spirit.

AMEN! I've been a FReeper since '98, met JimRob, etc. Although I _DETEST_ RATs, and usually agree with Repub positions, affiliating with ANY party means selling out. Political parties need to be kept honest. Various Repub politicians go brain dead quite often.

The #1 goal is what JimRob has stated - to defeat liberalism. Unfortunately, liberalism also exists within the Republican party.

INDEPENDENCE!!!!! (from a registered Repub)

[Jim Robinson]

And I say I don't care about party, never did. However, at this particular moment in time, the Republican Party is preferable over the Democrat Party. Since the Democrat Party is THE official party of liberalism/socialism/marxism, etc, and THE official party pushing abortion, homosexualism, gun control, nationalized health-care, income tax, social security tax, medicare, welfare, racism, the removal of God from the public square, etc, etc, etc, they equate to the domestic enemy of the Constitution and the enemy of Liberty itself and must be defeated. Whether or not the Republican Party is perfectly conservative is not the question. They are the only existing party that is equipped to defeat liberalism (ie, the Democrat Party) and they are in the process of getting the job done. And I am enjoying every moment of watching Clinton/Gore/Daschle/Gephardt/Dixon/Pixie and company going down in flames. Long live the Republic!

[Buckeroo]

CFR could have been handled by both Senate and House Rules committees without affecting the People. But, go ahead and figure that there is some gigantic plot to free Americans from government chains while government adds more links to the chains and weight about our freedoms.

How come I don't feel free with more laws?

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Do you know whom I'm speaking of?

He's a conservative.

If you live in CA and read the board there you would know. Otherwise....

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Again, you're not in CA and don't read the board. He votes CONSERVATIVE.

Please be civil.

[FairOpinion]

So I guess you prefer 8 years of Hillary, instead of supporting a Republican candidate, because that is the net result if conservatives do not support the Republican candidate in the elections that tend to be narrow because the population is fairly evenly split.

So conservatives hate the Republicans so much, that they rather have socialist leftists run the country instead.

As I said, talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face, the only problem is that it's all the rest of us have to suffer, because some "purist conservatives" are not willing to face reality.

[Consort]

But IMO the way to change that is to move the Republican Party slowly to the right,...

Yes, the parties do respond to their constituancies and will slowly move towards what the majority of people they hear from want them to do. For example, if most of the feedback comes from "moderates", then the party will tend to not move towards the more Conservative or more Liberal Republican sides. And if any of the three factions hold back their support, then the whole party and the whole country suffers under Democrat control.

[Buckeroo]

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"Since the Democrat Party is THE official party of liberalism/socialism/marxism, etc, and THE official party pushing abortion, homosexualism, gun control, nationalized health-care, income tax, social security tax, medicare, welfare, racism, the removal of God from the public square, etc, etc, etc, they equate to the domestic enemy of the Constitution and the enemy of Liberty itself and must be defeated." -- Jim Robinson

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I think you need to wake up and see the horror show that the Republican Party has duplicated. Again, neither of these political parties discuss America as a republic; it is all a democracy, anymore for brain-dead tax-payers that must be spoon fed some cheap dollars via the federal government.

Our national government was not intended to be built upon these gigantic powers; in fact, these are the types of oppressive powers that fostered the revolution to begin with. Jim, you have fallen for the big_weenie.

[Buckeroo]

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"As I said, talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face, the only problem is that it's all the rest of us have to suffer, because some "purist conservatives" are not willing to face reality. " -- FairOpinion

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The reason why you suffer is simple. You don't vote your heart; this is the reason why I suffer.

[rightofrush]

In absolute terms, maybe. In relative terms, no way.

[MCH]

As I sometimes point out, and the "non-Republican conservatives" don't like it, nevertheless it's fact: Clinton was NOT elected by stupid liberals, Clinton was elected by exactly the conservative wing, who "was going to show Bush I" their displeasure by voting for Ross Perot, instead of Bush, and they did. Well, they showed him all right, the net result was 8 years of Clinton, and I don't need to explain what that did to the country.

At the time, Perot came across as much more conservative than Bush I. Bush I had just spent an entire term caving into the Democrat's every demand, letting them set the agenda, letting them veto everything he tried to do without any fighting back, letting them get away with saying whatever they wanted without rebutting them, etc. Except for Gulf War I, he was a limp, pathetic rag, and a poor excuse for a non-Democrat.

In retrospect, the term "lesser of the evils" was a major understatement for that election. A dishrag, an evil, traitorous, lying, perjorous rapist dixie mafioso, or a delusional, paranoid egomaniac. Who knew? Hindsight is 20-20. At that time, the only clear characterization was that Bush I was a dishrag, and anything BUT a conservative.

Klintoon actually followed the conservative economic menu for the most part - despite the fact that he was also an evil, morally bankrupt sack of sh*t. Who knew he was going to be that bad, given the media/press coverage, if you didn't live in Arkansas? What's more, who knew that the American sheeple would be stupid enough to reelect him once they found out the truth? I see it all as an extremely painful but necessary lesson that wouldn't have been learned had a scumbag like Klintoon not corrupted the office for as long as he did. The pendulum has to swing whether we like it or not, or people get lazy and complacent. In the long run, the destructive reign of Klintigula may turn out to have been a major motivator behind the rise in strength of conservatism.

[Jim Robinson]

Hah! Whatever. My eyes are wide open. I see what's happening and I'm enjoying every minute of it. The liberals are seeing their world collapse around them and they are in a panic. God help me, I do love it so.

(plagiarized from Patton, the movie)

[Consort]

Again, you're not in CA and don't read the board. He votes CONSERVATIVE.

I believe you, but who is this Conservative Democrat?