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I realize I'm being idealistic. In a way, I think everyone who is politically concerned/involved is - we all have a sort of mental image of "utopia" in our heads that we're trying to get to, and our votes reflect that. Even the Democrats have theirs, though it looks a lot different than ours ::lol::.

Rights and responsibilities *must* go together, I think we all agree on that. But what I see these days is that rights are being chipped away at at the same time that responsibilities are being taken over by the state. I want to reverse that, even if it has to be in small steps.

Somehow, we have to retrain our population that they aren't "victims" and that actions have consequences. I don't know how we do this - this is the kind of thing we were all supposed to learn as kids but many alive today didn't seem to, or got trained out of it. Making moves to NOT bail out people who get into trouble because of their own stupidity would be a good start.

Personally, I don't share your feelings on gays. Monogamous gays that mind their own business, go to work, mow their lawns etc are ok by me (I know several of these types of couples - they are as close to being the gay version of the Cleavers as you can get). The Act Up flamers I have a problem with as they are making their issues *my* issues and I'm never cool with that no matter what the issue is.

I also think that you're overestimating the pure $$$ cost (not emotional,spiritual, or anything else) of abortion, though I do agree that it may promote a more cavalier attitude towards sex and birth control. But I do think the tide is turning on that, which is good.

LQ

It would be better if it could return to pre-New Deal when we had to turn to a private/religious group for help and were therefore personally accountable to someone who had a name & face. I'm truly hoping that Faith-Based initiatives is the beginning of that. When it's shown that their is a better "return" for your tax dollar maybe we could slowly weed out the bad charity groups. Eventually this may lead to:

Cutting social taxes down then more money would go to private charities that get the job done. I still say that we as a society, "not the guberment", need to be able to say when a person is ill.

I get my attitude about homosexuality (and equally hetero/disorder) from the fact that I have never ever ever known a monogamous homosexual couple in my life. I've known many. By the way every single one of them came from a dysfunctional (mild to extreme) family to begin with. Very few of us don't.

Many of those friends (yes I love them unconditionally) have children (biological) and yes they do love them but the children still suffer. I've seen it for my self which is why the propogandists can't fool me.

Oh and lots of times couples have outside "partners". That's why I say I've never known a monogamous one.

I will say this though I have a hard time watching children grow up in these messes and then not having compassion for them when they turn out messed up. I've baby sat other people's children and what I've seen has left me up all night worried sick (literally throwing up from a stomach in knots). I've even baby sat for FREE.

I have a tendency to take it out on anonymous people on forums *^_^*. I'll join you for a few minutes though in hoping that we have good change of mind in this country.