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To: Aquinasfan
What debunks the shroud is also the image. It looks like a caucasian male from the 12th century, not a Hebrew male, which Jesus was. Also, Scripture says, Isaiah 52: 13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. 14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

Jesus's face would be unrecognizable to be a man. He was beaten to a pulp, his tongue would be swollen from dehydration.

The first person in the tomb after the resurection was Peter, he saw the burial clothes, but he never mentions an image on them. Jesus didn't stay long enough in the burial cloth for any thing to happen in it.

8 posted on 06/12/2003 7:48:32 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Private 1st Class - 101st Viking Kitty.....Valhalla.....All the Way!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
It looks like a caucasian male from the 12th century, not a Hebrew male, which Jesus was.

Other than your opinion on the matter, can you give us anything that would show us what a "Hebrew Male" looked like back then? I don't buy your claim.

For example, assume that a modern-day Rabbi shares many facial features with Hebrew males of the age. If we beat up the Rabbi on the left, might he not look very similar to the image on the right?

Jesus's face would be unrecognizable to be a man. He was beaten to a pulp

Not true. First off, we do not hear that his face was beaten to a pulp. He was struck about the face, and a crown of thorns was shoved over his head; but mainly he was whipped. The post-resurrection Gospel does not mention a beaten-to-a-pulp face, which it probably would have had it been too nasty. Still, we do read that He was not recognized by the men on the road, so perhaps his face was rather bruised and battered.

, his tongue would be swollen from dehydration.

Jesus was not on the cross long enough to become severely dehydrated. The cause of death was most likely exhaustion, asphyxiation, shock, and heart failure.

The first person in the tomb after the resurection was Peter, he saw the burial clothes, but he never mentions an image on them.

Peter apparently didn't examine the clothes closely, and the Gospel doesn't go into detail about them anyway, so we can't say whether he saw anything or not.

Jesus didn't stay long enough in the burial cloth for any thing to happen in it.

This guy's experiment only had the cloth on him until it dried -- a matter of hours. Jesus was wrapped in the cloth for three days -- plenty of time for the mechanism described to have taken place.

12 posted on 06/12/2003 8:30:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Zavien Doombringer
What debunks the shroud is also the image. It looks like a caucasian male from the 12th century, not a Hebrew male, which Jesus was.

If you think that piece of evidence outweighs the pigment-free, negative image with an embedded 3D, topographic map, then you better turn in your detective badge.

Besides, you're ignoring two other important pieces of historical evidence. First, the Shroud indicates a body whipped with a Roman flagrum, a distinctive whip unknown to the medievals that contained dumbell shaped weights at the end of the cords, the purpose of which was to tear away flesh. Secondly, the Shroud indicates crucifixion through the wrists. The medievals believed that Jesus was crucified through the hands, as medieval art attests. However, experiments on cadavers have shown that crucifixion through the hands cannot support a body on a cross.

46 posted on 06/12/2003 10:42:16 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Zavien Doombringer
What debunks the shroud is also the image. It looks like a caucasian male from the 12th century, not a Hebrew male, which Jesus was.

You mean Hebrew males like these, which Jesus was?

Joseph Lieberman
Paul Newman
Ted Koppel
Harrison Ford
Efrem Zimbalist Jr.
Kirk Douglas
Kevin Costner
Stephen Breyer
Yitzhak Rabin
Michael Landon
Lorne Greene
Mike Wallace
Benjamin Netanyahu
William Shatner
Douglas Fairbanks
Cary Grant
Leonard Bernstein
Paul Simon
Ariel Sharon
David Frost
Morley Safer
Ari Fleischer 
Jack Benny
Alan King
Casper Weinberger
Carl Reiner
George Burns
Red Buttons
Sam Levinson
Bernard Goldberg
Robert Downey Jr.
Dustin Hoffman
Michael Douglas
Peter Sellers
Tony Curtis
Edward G. Robinson
Wolf Blitzer
Mel Torme
Paul Wellstone
Peter Falk
Leonard Nimoy
Jerry Springer
Arlen Spector
William Cohen 
Barry Goldwater
Robert Rubin
William Roth
Howard Metzenbaum
Hyman Rickover
Robert Reich
Russ Feinberg
Stanley Mosk
Arthur Burns
Milton Friedman
Bill Kristol
Victor Borge
William Kristol
Warren Rudman


51 posted on 06/12/2003 11:01:45 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
3D images of the Shroud of Turin (including the image created using the NASA VP-8 terrain analyzer)
78 posted on 06/12/2003 6:34:38 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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