The Pro-Life Movement's Problem With Morality

The Washington Dispatch ^ | June 6, 2003 | Cathryn Crawford

[Cathryn Crawford]

I don't think that's what he meant. He was talking about you specifically, not Christians.

Even if you disagree, you didn't even bother to ask what he meant.

[ShadowAce]

7) QED, No date can be picked. 8) So we have to find another criteria - brain activity, or some such.

First cellular division. That indicates life.

[Cathryn Crawford]

I'm pretty ambivalent about that. The whole concept just fills me with ennui.

LMAO!

[Sparta]

Where's the ping list, or is just Carolyn on it now?

[Clint N. Suhks]

I don't know what NRL is, lobbying is good, comdoms are bad for kids and agian you've put words that I did not say in my mouth.

I maintain that moral relativists will find ways to get around arguments that don't pertain to simple right and wrong. Logic is changable, morality isn't.

[RightWhale]

Dred Scott v. Sanford

Can you give a quick synopsis of what went down? Believe it or not, I don't know; although it gets talked about all the time, what it was about remains a mystery.

[Sparta]

Should've been Cathyrn

[Blood of Tyrants]

Your whole argument relies on two very weak presumptions, first the argument that the baby is not "viable". The basis if "viable" is basically that a human must be able to breathe and have a hearbeat on their own. The logical extension of that argument is that as soon as a person is unable to feed and care for him/herself (such as a serious brain injury) or temporarily needs a ventilator in the case of an illness or injury then they are no longer "viable" and therefore have no rights under the Constitution.

The second weakness is the screwy definition of "personhood". Only by twisting the definition to say that a an unborn baby is not a person though it is undeniably both human and alive is insane.

[Cathryn Crawford]

LOL - That's my mom's name. Wrong Crawford. ;-)

[tpaine]

Whatever..
As usual, your silly comments add nothing to the debate. -- Counter my positions, or hush up..

[Cathryn Crawford]

I maintain that moral relativists will find ways to get around arguments that don't pertain to simple right and wrong.

So let's just not bother, right?

[Blood of Tyrants]

I would have no idea if you were a man, woman, Christian, Muslim, hedonist, or homosexual.

Both all and none of the above;^)

[Cathryn Crawford]

I fear that too many on our side simply seek a feel good sense of their own moral superiority, to want to actually approach the issue tactically, as opposed to emotionally. (Maybe that is being unkind, but some of them sure do not understand the art of persuading the not already committed.)

Exactly right. You said it better than I.

[Cathryn Crawford]

LOL - I wasn't asking. :-)

[netmilsmom]

>>There are a great many couples out there just waiting to take care of a baby if only someone could be inconvenienced to carry him/her to term and have the courage to let them go.<<

I agree only it is not courage, it is love. The best gift a mother can give her child is a good mommy and daddy. If she personally cannot give that, there are millions of couples waiting to do it.

[Cathryn Crawford]

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Would you like to me to put you on my ping list?

[Clint N. Suhks]

He was talking about you specifically, not Christians.

BS! Here he said “I'm just pointing out that any link between breast cancer and abortion is not a done deal. A lot of conservatives get happy and excited when they read things suggesting a link," and are disappointed when it looks like abortion might not cause cancer.

How could you interpret THAT any differently? You are a hypocrite or just selective for your condemnation. Either way you’re wrong.

[Pro-Bush]

As long as there is a strong Pro-Bush movement the Pro-Life movement will thrive.

[Clint N. Suhks]

So let's just not bother, right?

Is hyperbole the best you got? It appears so.

[Cultural Jihad]

It is so essential that the right-to-life movement in America galvanize behind the idea the logic, not morality, will be what wins the day in this fight, because sometimes, despite the rightness of the intentions, morality has to be left out of the game. Morality doesn’t bind everyone together.

Everyone is obligated to adhere to the kindness of religious morality, regardless of their beliefs. Why not advocate that people not use beliefs when arguing against murder or rape or robbery? After all, not everyone agrees that murder or rape or robbery are wrong.