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A Theory of Everything ("Dumberer" at the NY Times)
New York Times ^ | June 1, 2003 | Thomas L. Friedman

Posted on 06/02/2003 12:09:55 PM PDT by Oldie

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To: Brad Cloven
"What a crock. Had the Soviet Union never existed, we would still exactly this powerful due to our freedom and entrepreneurialism. The Soviet's existence and collapse had nothing to do with it. "

nope. You're dead wrong.

The US military growth was spurred on by the Cold War. Particualrly during the 1980's with Ronald Reagan we built up an incredibly massive military force the likes never seen in human history.

After the USSR collapsed we began downsizing but we stayed bulk-up and during the 1990's focused on improving the quality of our equipment and troops versus the quantity.

Without the USSR we would have grown only very little from our post WWII military.

In fact, we likely would not have fought in Vietnam or S. Korea.

Much of our technological progress can be directly attributable to our competition with the Soviet Union. We may not have gone to the moon even.

21 posted on 06/02/2003 1:38:15 PM PDT by Mark Felton (Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.)
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To: lasereye
"the idiocy of the whole Friedman thesis [is] that we need to soften the world's impression of us as the hegemonic superpower in order to stop future 9/11's."

You must be reading from a source not posted because Friedman doesn't make that claim above.
22 posted on 06/02/2003 1:45:03 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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23 posted on 06/02/2003 1:46:12 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Mark Felton
I understand your point, and it is arguable both ways. Allow me the following perspective:

For every billion sucked out of taxpayers pockets to fund the anti-communist military, said billion could have been spent or capitalized in the productive economy. I daresay the return on investment in plant & equipment would beat the investment in artillery.

Not to second guess the decision on artillery; it was required by the threat. Rather, returns in the real economy tend to outstrip anything the government can do with it.
24 posted on 06/02/2003 2:39:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Tax & Spend Democrats HARM the economy; Buchananite Protectionists would DESTROY it.)
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To: moyden2000
I gotta agree with ya. It seems to me that some people are misinterpreting the article's thrust. It's not excusing the idiots out there that believe US power is behind all malfeasance but explaining why they act that way. Heck, we've plenty of idiots here in the US that believe the US is out to rape the planet and rob everyone; we shouldn't be surprise that ignoramuses outside the US also think that.

The solution? Make them get a job. Anyone notice how most terrorists are on welfare?
25 posted on 06/02/2003 5:49:29 PM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: Oldie
"Of all the stupid columnists at the NY Times, surely Thomas L. Friedman is the by far the stupidest. He has proven this beyond doubt with his columns over the years

Still, not content to rest on his laurels, his most recent column is among the finest examples of his art."




Do you still hold this view?

Stupid is as stupid does.
26 posted on 06/03/2003 8:16:13 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah
27 posted on 06/03/2003 12:16:25 PM PDT by Oldie
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