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IRAQ: Weapons of Mass Disappearance - (Where are the WMD? Manipulation to go to War? )
time ^ | Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003 | MICHAEL DUFFY

Posted on 06/01/2003 9:01:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: desertcry
It takes time.

I suppose that puts you on the "give the U.N. inspectors more time" side of the issue? I was a hawk, based on the constant assurance of WMD's. WMD's that I was asured would end up used against us if we didn't move immediately to rid Iraq of them.. I'm gonna be real pissed if it turns out I was lied to. And it's really beginning to look that way.

261 posted on 06/02/2003 8:11:20 PM PDT by templar
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To: alnick
You can't have it both ways

Sorry, I am confused. I complained about civilian deaths perpetrated by our government. Those are the deaths that concern us, since we are vicariously responsible for the wrong doing of our government, and mass murder is wrong doing.

Yes, I know that Saddam was killing people but so are a whole bunch of other bad guys in governments around the world. Do you want to be the world's cop? I say no, let's just worry about nations that are a direct threat to us.

If there is one thing that we know now it is that Iraq was harmless. They were not behind 9/11 and we removed no weapons from circulation by the war. We just killed innocent people and made a lot of people angry at us. On balance, we have made terrorism more, not less likely.

North Korea is much more of a threat. They really do have WMDs, the real kind, nuclear. You will see that the military option is not in play with them. Our nation is acting like the proverbial school yard bully. We only pick on the weaklings. We won't mess with the guys with real power.

I expected better from our nation!

262 posted on 06/02/2003 8:14:43 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: alnick
Just as I suspected.

Tell you what alnick. Instead of a two month old unconfirmed report of river pollution from an obscure British publication with no traceable sources, why don't you print a confirmation of that "mustard gas" in the Euphrates from some more recent and credible cource? You are interested in the facts now, aren't you?

Just show 'em to me, that's all I ask. If you can't do that, I suggest you keep quiet for the sake of future credibility.

263 posted on 06/02/2003 8:17:08 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
I'm gonna be real pissed if it turns out I was lied to. And it's really beginning to look that way.

And every day that passes without finding any WMDs means more people come to your conclusion. I am seriously wondering what they (the Bush administration) were thinking.

Did they believe that they could brazen this through because enouh people worshipped the man?

264 posted on 06/02/2003 8:18:30 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Did they believe that they could brazen this through because enouh people worshipped the man?

Well, there do seem to be a lot of worshippers. Around here, anyway.

I'm still leaning toward the idea that Bush was manipulated by deliberately being spoon fed faulty intlligence data: that he really believed the WMD's were there in huge quantities. How he handles the subject in the future will probably determine whether I keep leaning that way (I suppose I just don't want to believe he deliberately and knowingly lied to us).

265 posted on 06/02/2003 8:23:59 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
...puts you on the "give the UN inspectors more time" side of the issue. No, what the UN wanted is not just more time, but infinite time. Iraq is as large as California and it woun't take but a baseball diamond size of an area to hide enough Bio-chem WMD to kill a million Americans. How many baseball diamond field do you think can fit in Iraq? A needle in a haystack right? Besides, the WMDs most probably have been transported to other countries (Syria, Iran, perhaps even in France by now.) How long have we had boots on the ground in Iraq? So have some patience and some faith in our Team. In the meantime the crow is being tenderized for the opposition(from within and without)to swallow. Meanwhile ask yourself this question: Why did saddam kicked the UN inspectors out years ago and paid a heavy price for it, if he had no intention of having WMD?
267 posted on 06/02/2003 9:42:28 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: alnick
You've jumped to the conclusion that "the Us armed forces ... cannot find them." They haven't been reported in a few weeks' time after months of people like you griping that we must give inspections more time, ad nauseum, and already you've jumped to the conclusion that the US cannot find them.

As of right now, it is a fact. The US cannot find them. Perhaps they will find them next week, but right now they cannot find them.

There is a difference between stating a fact and jumping to a conclusion, such as you just did when you implied that "people like me" were griping about giving the inspectors more time. No they weren't.

Neither you nor Peach understood the original comment.

268 posted on 06/03/2003 5:24:00 AM PDT by wotan
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To: wotan
To say that something has not been achieved to date is not to say that it cannot be done.
269 posted on 06/03/2003 5:27:58 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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