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IRAQ: Weapons of Mass Disappearance - (Where are the WMD? Manipulation to go to War? )
time ^ | Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003 | MICHAEL DUFFY

Posted on 06/01/2003 9:01:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Weapons of Mass Disappearance
The war in Iraq was based largely on intelligence about banned arms that still haven't been found. Was America's spy craft wrong — or manipulated? 
By MICHAEL DUFFY


LYNSEY ADDARIO/CORBIS FOR TIME
Soldiers of the 25th Infantry rummage through a bombed-out house in Mosel looking for weapons
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Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003
How do take your country to war when it doesn't really want to go? You could subcontract with another nation, fight on the sly and hope no one notices. But if you need a lot of troops to prevail and you would like to remind everyone in the neighborhood who's boss anyway, then what you need most is a good reason — something to stir up the folks back home.

As the U.S. prepared to go to war in Iraq last winter, the most compelling reason advanced by George W. Bush to justify a new kind of pre-emptive war was that Saddam Hussein possessed nuclear, chemical and biological arms — weapons of mass destruction (wmd). "There's no doubt in my mind but that they currently have chemical and biological weapons," said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in January. "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons," said Vice President Dick Cheney in March. That Iraq might have WMD was never the only reason the Bush Administration wanted to topple Saddam. But it was the big reason, the casus belli, the public rationale peddled over and over to persuade a skeptical nation, suspicious allies and a hostile United Nations to get behind the controversial invasion. And while that sales pitch fell flat overseas, it worked better than expected at home: by late March, 77% of the public felt that invading U.S. troops would find WMD.

But eight weeks after the war's end, most of that confident intelligence has yet to pan out, and a growing number of experts think it never will. Current and former U.S. officials have begun to question whether the weapons will ever be found in anything like the quantities the U.S. suggested before the war — if found at all — and whether the U.S. gamed the intelligence to justify the invasion. For now, WMD seems to stand for weapons of mass disappearance. Smarting from the accusations that they had cooked the books, top U.S. officials fanned out late last week to say the hunt would go on and the weapons would eventually be found. CIA officials told TIME that they would produce a round of fresh evidence for increasingly wary lawmakers as early as next week. After dispatching dozens of G.I. patrols to some 300 suspected WMD sites in Iraq over the past two months, only to come up empty-handed, the Pentagon announced last week that it will shift from hunting for banned weapons to hunting for documents and people who might be able to say where banned weapons are — or were. But it is clear that the U.S. is running out of good leads. "We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad," Lieut. General James T. Conway, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said last week. "But they're simply not there."

Wherever they are, the missing weapons are beginning to cause trouble elsewhere. Overseas, British Prime Minister Tony Blair is under fire from critics for overstating the case for war. The accusations came at an awkward moment for Bush, as he began a seven-day diplomatic trip to smooth over relations in Europe and seek peace in the Middle East. Moreover, mistrust about the Iraqi intelligence was growing just as the Administration began to make a similar case against Iran. In order to defend the credibility of his agency, CIA Director George Tenet took the unusual step of issuing a statement last Friday dismissing suggestions that the CIA politicized its intelligence. "Our role is to call it like we see it, to tell policymakers what we know, what we don't know, what we think and what we base it on. That's the code we live by." Asked to translate, an intelligence official explained that if there was a breakdown on the Bush team, it wasn't at the agency. "There's one issue in terms of collecting and analyzing intelligence," he said. "Another issue is what policymakers do with that information. That's their prerogative."



One of the oldest secrets of the secret world is that intelligence work involves as much art as science. While it is difficult, dangerous and expensive to snoop on our enemies with satellite cameras, hidden bugs and old-fashioned dead drops, knowing what all that information really means is the true skill of intelligence work. The information is often so disparate and scattershot that it amounts to little without interpretation.

And interpretation has long been the speciality of the hard-liners who fill so many key foreign-policy posts in the Bush Administration. Unlike his father, who ran the CIA briefly in the mid-'70s and prided himself on revitalizing an embattled spy corps, George W. Bush dotted his foreign-policy team with people who have waged a private war with the CIA for years, men who are disdainful of the way the agency gathers secrets — and what it makes of them. Working mainly out of the Pentagon, the hard-liners have long believed that America's spy agency was a complacent captive of the two parties' internationalist wings, too wary and risk averse, too reliant on gadgets and too slow to see enemies poised to strike.

Two Bush aides in particular, Rumsfeld and his Pentagon deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, have a long record of questioning the assumptions, methods and conclusions of the cia. Wolfowitz was a member of the famous B Team, created in the mid-'70s by the cia, then headed by Bush's father, to double-check the work of the cia's line analysts about the military strength of the Soviet Union. Filled with many hard-liners who now work in the younger Bush's Administration, the B Team was spoiling back then for bigger defense budgets and a more aggressive foreign policy. It found many of the cia's conclusions about the Soviet Union softheaded and naive. Its final report helped launch the Reagan-era defense buildup of the 1980s. Rumsfeld also chaired a bipartisan commission in 1998 set up by Congress to assess the pace of rogue states' missile efforts, which concluded that the cia wouldn't be able to gather intelligence quickly enough to meet the unseen threats posed by Iran, Iraq and North Korea. That dire prediction — reinforced by a North Korean missile launch a month later — turbocharged the nation's push to build a $100 billion missile shield, now under construction.

The hard-liners' staunch beliefs were powerfully bolstered after 9/11; they quickly concluded that the CIA failed to anticipate the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. And they were not reassured by the CIA's performance after 9/11 either. By last fall, Rumsfeld had grown so impatient with the CIA's equivocal explanations of the Iraq problem that he set up his own mini-CIA at the Pentagon called the Office of Special Plans. It was hatched and designed, as a former U.S. official puts it, to get "the intelligence he wanted."

Several current and former military officers who saw all the relevant data through this spring charge that the Pentagon took the raw data from the CIA and consistently overinterpreted the threat posed by Iraq's stockpiles. "There was a predisposition in this Administration to assume the worst about Saddam," a senior military officer told Time. This official, recently retired, was deeply involved in planning the war with Iraq but left the service after concluding that the U.S. was going to war based on bum intelligence. "They were inclined to see and interpret evidence a particular way to support a very deeply held conviction," the officer says. "I just think they felt there needed to be some sort of rallying point for the American people. I think they said it sincerely, but I also think that at the end of the day, we'll find out their interpretations of the intelligence were wrong." Another official, an Army intelligence officer, singled out Rumsfeld for massaging the facts. "Rumsfeld was deeply, almost pathologically distorting the intelligence," says the officer. Rumsfeld told a radio audience last week that the "war was not waged under any false pretense." And an aide flat-out rejects the idea that intelligence was hyped to support the invasion. "We'd disagree very strongly with that," said Victoria Clarke, the chief Pentagon spokeswoman.

Over the past two weeks, TIME has interviewed several dozen current and former intelligence officials and experts at the Pentagon and cia and on Capitol Hill to try to understand how the public version of the intelligence got so far ahead of the evidence. The reporting suggests that from the start the process was more deductive than empirical. According to these officials, three factors were at work: 





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To: AntiGuv
The impression I got from your statement was that unless the units of quantity you are quoting from somewhere did not come forward the effort was ill conceived.

If that was wrong I apologise.

181 posted on 06/01/2003 12:34:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Last October, when I spoke at the Labour conference in Blackpool, I supported the efforts of President Bush and Prime Minister Blair to renew efforts to eliminate Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction,

Bill Clinton

http://www.labour.org.uk/clintoniraq180303/

182 posted on 06/01/2003 12:34:46 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: AntiGuv
Painstaking analysis has failed to find any trace of outlawed germ warfare agents in two truck-mounted biological processing plants that U.S. forces discovered in Iraq...

But what was the INTENT of these Mobile facilities?

183 posted on 06/01/2003 12:37:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and his Weapons of Mass Destruction?)
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To: McGavin999
Bush got the quantities right from the UN report of the weapons inspectors as they left Iraq in 1998.

So, maybe the UN was the origin of the lies? I doubt the the UN would ever lie for any reason. < /sarcasm >

there is something going on here that isn't being told. Someone's being had by someone, and I am beginning to suspect it's the U.S. (including Bush) that's the one being had. Question I am beginning to have is: Who's doing it, and why?

Maybe it's time to quit claiming Iraq had lots of nasty stuff and look around to see why we were led into war and exactly who led us there? I don't like being played for the sucker, and I doubt that you do either. Maybe we, the US as a whole, Bush, all of us, have just been snookered for some as yet unknown parties benefit.

184 posted on 06/01/2003 12:39:01 PM PDT by templar
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To: Buckeroo
Keep in mind, that the good ol' USA gave Saddam WMD back in the 1980's for use against Iran. America has not only proliferated WMD around the world but we have lied about nations when we demanded them back.

Yeah, yeah. And we exterminated the Indians, enslaved the blacks, oppressed women, and disenfranchised other minorities, including the lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgendered. All in order to support the military-industrial complex. Say, are we a police state yet? If so, what are you still doing here?

185 posted on 06/01/2003 12:39:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Eldorado431
I take the entire article and throw it in the garbage where it belongs.

But the great majority of people in this great land DO NOT!

Well they don't even read it, they just watch the big TV News shows and form their opinions from what they see!

186 posted on 06/01/2003 12:42:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and his Weapons of Mass Destruction?)
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To: 1rudeboy
Go out on the corner and wave your ittsy-bittsy little American flag. Tell the world that the American government is the best thing since GOD. Tell the world that GWBush believes in democracy.......

187 posted on 06/01/2003 12:43:09 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
During the Cold War, United States export policy focused primarily on restricting the export of sensitive "dual use" materials and technologies to the Soviet Union and its allies. This myopic approach to the non-proliferation of these materials ultimately resulted in the acquisition of unconventional weapons and missile-system technologies by several "pariah nations" with aggressive military agendas. For the United States, the reality of the dangers associated with these types of policies were realized during the Persian Gulf War. Recognizing the shortcomings of existing policies, and with the dissolution of the Soviet empire, an inquiry was initiated by the Committee into the contributions that exports from the United States played in the weapons of mass destruction programs that have flourished under the direction of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein

There were dual use chemicals shared between nations, until we realized some nations were making evil uses of these chemicals. Nowhere in this article does it state we gave WMD to Saddam Hussein to use against Iran.

I've waited around for you to prove your case and you've failed twice.

188 posted on 06/01/2003 12:44:19 PM PDT by Peach
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To: templar
Snookered????????

Abu Nidal, dead.

Abu Abbas, the murderer of you fellow countrymen Leon Klinghoofer, in custody.

PLF, many dead.

Answar al Islam, many more deader.

Baathist Party, dead.

Al Qaeda in Northern Iraq, dead.

Scud Missiles pointing at our ally Israel, zero.

What makes for a good day in never never land?
189 posted on 06/01/2003 12:46:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Buckeroo
Keep in mind, that the good ol' USA gave Saddam WMD back in the 1980's for use against Iran.

Yep. That's how we know he had them. We helped him, but he didn't appreciate it. So we took him out. That's the way it is. I think we also gave weapons to the Afghans to fight the Soviets, but they let the Taliban take over, so we took them out, too. That's the way it is. What's your problem?

190 posted on 06/01/2003 12:47:31 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Buckeroo
I should correct myself. We DID NOT knowingly supply Iraq with WMD in order for them to defeat Iran. Iraq probably did take dual use chemicals and turn them into something evil.

Did you know that asparteme (artificial sweetener) used to be used by the Russians as a nerve agent, and yet look, it's being used by us as a sweetener.

Anyway, you still haven't back up your claims and I simply can't wait around any longer. It's been fun.

191 posted on 06/01/2003 12:49:31 PM PDT by Peach
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To: mtbopfuyn
So, you're telling us that all these reports over all those decades from non-related people/sources/organizations are all in on some gigantic lie? Oooh, it's a conspiracy!!! Danger, Will Robins, danger! Woosh, woosh, it's the black choppers!

I just want to see the weapons we were told were there by all of these people. That's all I ask. I think it's a reasonable request. Where are they?

Oh, I forgot, the "black choppers" must have spirited them off to somewhere else and our intelligence and satellites and observation craft weren't able to detect this because Saddam also perfected the secret of invisiblility. Probably from one of those crashed UFO's he got hold of back in GWI. Get real. It's looking more and more like he didn't make or have any after the ones we destroyed after GWI were gone.

Just show 'em to me. That's all I'm asking in return for supporting the war. Just show 'em to me. As they say, "Put up or shut up".

Again: Just show 'em to me.

192 posted on 06/01/2003 12:49:35 PM PDT by templar
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
they are beer trucks
193 posted on 06/01/2003 12:50:26 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: templar
I seriously doubt that. That's like saying we were snookered into going after terrorists because someone made up 9-11. Gee, according to your way of thinking, perhaps it was all a Hollywood special effects bonanza and the WTC actually still exists.
194 posted on 06/01/2003 12:50:37 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: jwalsh07
What makes for a good day in never never land?

An interesting question. Who comes out ahead by all of this? I doubt it's any of the obvious public entities or their allies you mention.

195 posted on 06/01/2003 12:52:22 PM PDT by templar
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To: Buckeroo
I can't go out on the corner. I'm still waiting for you to prove that we sold Iraq WMD's. LOL
196 posted on 06/01/2003 12:52:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Peach
Failed? I have failed twice? I could easily take up Jim's HDDs to prove my point of view; it is obvious you either can not read or you can not accept the fact that America is involved in ALL this chaos around the world because of government intrusion cloaked in "National Security."

Harry Truman did a bad thing when he signed the NSA back in 1947 .... he basically gave the CIA the means to screw all Americans and the world.
197 posted on 06/01/2003 12:52:48 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: jwalsh07
No, though I am quite obviously ambivalent regarding both the 'public relations' aspect of the war and the intelligence efforts that preceded it. I think that a very strong case can be made - one that will be accepted by the American public - that Saddam was a key national security threat, regardless. Most of the type of programs under question here could have been swiftly undertaken by Iraq if & when sanctions were removed. That was the real case for war (along with the liberation case, that for some reason other nations/parties didn't see fit to apply to Iraq though they had no problem applying to, say, Bosnia & Kosovo..)

The problem that this administration has, as I see things, is that they have not properly made the case for their doctrine of preemption. They also have not properly made the case for the great benefits which could extend from a sweeping restructure of Mideast affairs. Most of arises because of recalcitrant foreign nations which refuse to accept these rationales, and an oftentimes conflicting debate on principles between different parts of the administration.

I do think that at some point the message needs to shift more completely from the prewar thesis as I've described to an explanation of apparent absence of those circumstances. I think that the longer the administration persists in maintaining that the prewar thesis will somehow get proven, the more of a potential problem they could face in making that case. Perhaps not, because to great extent they are already shifting to a more accurate explanation of why the war was necessary. If this is not handled successfully, I'm very concerned that this could derail future efforts to deal with North Korea, Syria, and Iran, by example.

Mostly I'm just a contrarian who likes to keep a debate going & push the tough issues, though.. ;) The fact of the matter is that these questions are going to get louder in the coming weeks & months - unless there's an altogether surprising (at this point) development - so I'd just as soon get it out of my system now. As I've said, I don't mind if I'm ultimately proven incorrect in my assessments.

198 posted on 06/01/2003 12:53:21 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: jwalsh07
the're dead, Jim!
199 posted on 06/01/2003 12:54:15 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Bush Plays Down Banned Weapons Hunt in Iraq

"We've discovered a weapons system -- biological labs that Iraq denied she had and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions," President Bush told reporters after talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

SNIP

Bush was noncommittal about Russia's future role in the Iraqi oil sector.

"Russia has had a long history of involvement in Iraq, and the Iraqi authorities, when they are firmly in place, will make the decision based upon that experience and based upon their country's best interests," Bush said.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20030601_283.html


200 posted on 06/01/2003 12:54:43 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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