IRAQ: Weapons of Mass Disappearance - (Where are the WMD? Manipulation to go to War? )

time ^ | Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003 | MICHAEL DUFFY

[Peach]

Good point about the moon hoax - shocked it was aired on the History Channel. My reason for repeatedly mentioning those shows is because the facatories are/were HUGE. Judith Miller of the NYT reported as recently as a month ago that merely driving around Iraq, one can see the factories that had been devoted to WMD program. They are empty now. WHere is the stuff? Who knows.

Re the 100's of books - go to a good library. Google search a little. Many have been witten in the 90's alone.

I've not mentioned Powell's name on any thread here so don't know what/whose thread you're referring to.

Yes, the UN Security Council said Saddam was known to have a WMD program and it was up to him to provide proof with what he did with it. He didn't provide such proof.

And, a little newsflash yourself - it wasn't only two decades ago Saddam used WMD - he used them on over 40 villages in the 90's.

[Buckeroo]

What "proof" are you asking me to post? I shall provide "proof" about any of my assertions. Which assertion do you want me to prove?

[Peach]

Good point re templar's service. I too looked earlier in this thread at his profile and that's why I commented that since Vietnam, so many have felt lied to. It's unfortunate that we may never be able to move beyond that, but perfectly understandable.

[Peach]

Saddam has not been contained since '91. He gassed over 40 villages after the Gulf War. He used the oil for food program to grow his WMD program from a multi-million dollar program to a billion dollar program.

The Czech government never backed away from reports about meetings between AQ and Iraq. Saddam patterned himself after Stalin and thought the way to control his corner of the world was with WMD and he became increasing irrational and dangerous after the Gulf War.

To consider him contained as a world threat after the Gulf War is naive at best.

[templar]

Wouldn't it be in your best interest to error on the side of caution?

Does that make it reasonable to go kill my neighbor because I am told he has a gun and might use it on me to do harm, even though he denies having a gun and I haven't seen one? Could you prove that you have no gun to point at me, and would you be willing to let me relentlessly and continuously search the most private parts of your home to satisfy my fear that you do? Think about it from outside the box of what we've been told for a while. The inability to produce these weapons, the ones that are supposedly present in such HUGE quantities, makes me re-examine everything I've been told all along with a very cynical eye and ear.

If the administration wants me to believe they have told me the truth, they can present the evidence I was told would be there as proof. That's all I'm asking. I think it is a reasonable request. If they were wrong, if they acted on intelligence lies, they need to admit that, and then go after those who misled us into a war with Iraq with the same vigor with which we went after Saddam.

[Peach]

You'd rather believe that thread than the Red Cross reports which last week totaled approximately 1,800 dead civilians.

And you have yet to respond to my post that the Washington Post, Red Cross and human rights organizations have reported for years that Saddam regularly killed as many as 5,000 innocent Iraqi civilians EACH MONTH. But don't let the facts get in the way of your judgment.

[Buckeroo]

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"He gassed over 40 villages after the Gulf War. He used the oil for food program to grow his WMD program from a multi-million dollar program to a billion dollar program." -- Peach

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That was his business just like the good ol' USA torching about 80 folks in a church in Waco TX back in 1993.

[fooman]

Yeah, I agree. The guys in nam and Korea had the tough wars.

We did not have air supremacy in Korea and it made life on the groung hell.

You would be surprised how nam vets faces light up when the war is framed as a battle in WWIII as the old cia chief has said.

The US should be selective when we draw our sword, and then to make a strategic point against terrorism and proliferation of bad stuff.

[Duan]

OK, let’s don’t play “who-said-he-said” from six months ago …….

But in an interview with Polish T-V, President Bush said banned armaments have been found in Iraq. Bush said searchers had found weapons of mass destruction and biological labs. He provided no details.

He’s still running around telling these lies. Here’s the link:

http://www.wokr13.tv/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=4DFAA08B-E986-43E5-9106-1A035A55185B

[McGavin999]

Not doing so will leave me feeling like I've been lied to, manipulated, and conned.

Then we would have all been consistantly conned since 1998. That's when the UN released their report that the weapons of mass destruction existed in the quantities referenced by Bush. It was also the basis on which Clinton, and the democrat congress, decided to bomb Iraq. Where do you suppose those known stockpiles went? Do you really think Saddam disposed of them AFTER the weapons inspectors left? Do you really think Saddam bribed the weapons inspectors because they knew he disposed of them? Do you think Saddam refused to reveal he disposed of the WMD's because he really wanted us to come in and depose him?

You'd really have to have some kind of convoluted thinking to believe you were lied to.

[Peach]

Gassing 40 villages was Saddam's business? Just like it was Hitler's business to gas Jews? Waco was a horrible event for which the government has not been held responsible that should not dictate the rest of your worldview.

The people in power at that time have not paid the price for what they did and probably never will. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton decided going after a group of people who didn't fit with the norm and going after Microsoft was more important than handling Iraq and AQ - even after AQ attacked our country repeatedly on their watch.

[Gabrielle Reilly]

Senator Pat Robert's, Chair of the Intellience Committee, reminded us at a meeting on Thursday, that it took six months to find the nuclear missles the first time around in the 90's after a tip off. It is far to early to jump to conclusions that they will not be found. He did say that he personally suspects they are hidden underground or have left the country.

The people crying out for the WMD now are the ones wearing the pie and would rather continue justifying that they were "right" about the war being "wrong", than to use logic.

[Buckeroo]

The WW2 equations you discuss have nothing to do with war. America didn't get involved with Britain or France because of the Jews.

We got involved because of a direct attack upon us.

[Peach]

I've never seen proof that we gave Iraq WMD to fight Iran and if you have it - produce it.

[Peach]

Just as your equation to Waco has nothing to do with Iraq, hmm. I was responding to your post that it's Saddam's business whether he gassed 40 villages in the 90's. My point was with that thinking, then it was Hitler's business whether he gassed Jews, and only crazy people believe in that kind of thinking.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Clinton wasn't "strong" on foreign policy? What exactly do you mean? He toppled a government in Haiti, intervened in Bosnia, bombed Kosovo, intervened in Somalia, and bombed Iraq on an almost weekly basis for his entire term.

He was also a liar. He claimed that there was genocide in Kosovo (there wasn't). There may be WMDs in Iraq but Clinton the liar is hardly a credible source, no matter how matter anyone spins it.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The UN Security Council did not say that Iraq had WMDs. What the UN Security Council said was that Iraq was know to have had WMDs and had not established that it no longer had them.

So we agree on this statement?

[AntiGuv]

What do you expect Bush & Blair to say at this juncture? They're gonna spin the consequences as well as possible, just as anyone would. Whatever the case:

Bush, Blair Face Heat on Iraq Weapons

President Bush said this weekend that weapons had already been found. As evidence, though, he pointed to two suspected biological laboratories which both the Pentagon and U.S. weapons hunters have said do not constitute arms.

[John H K]

You are calling me a liar and then downplaying the truth about anthrax in the same post? Man, you have no talent to argue with me.

ROFL.

Give the exact listing of all the WMD (heck, just weapons of ANY kind) that the United States gave to or sold to Iraq.

It's not a question of talent, it's a question of facts. It's been a long-term hand-waving lie that the United States "armed" Iraq, which you unfortunately seem to have bought into.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

We got involved because of a direct attack upon us.

Which is what happened on 9/11!